From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8l9f1dl.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfgc50gb.fsf@gnu.org> <875z7gflpl.fsf@gnus.org> <83imbf2xux.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfgbarkk.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh4q195b.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgah1mjz.fsf@gnus.org> <83r1q0zwlp.fsf@gnu.org> <837drszozo.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14636"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 15 00:54:43 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kSpfO-0003ip-Rh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 00:54:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40260 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSpfN-0002HQ-Th for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSpeK-0001lY-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kSpeI-00040v-UC; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:36 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E41BB807A5; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 870818095B; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1602716012; bh=hZwLAMJYHkOhKgSQqayyBfpt3evqdVjd2SkITQilM84=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Clx1q1zRZH0QzCTUbTnE8mf3yPyInQgioAAk0Dxidz6SpbLzPVawbW34HcbHQZcWZ xrJyoyNROTP7suk9F0IvqDB5dVSx2qUHzcyeK6B34F0nclXswmM++kjZCS8hw0/7Hq 9+Mh9K8bKkPTbmBEuGmwGgRy2j1OXlCJBhkrqbxEnXmcJTj+99goqPjwcEeF1Y/KTW KUgJhBl6yD/qxh2+2+72wAGwH60KUSfucGp7ubucCRSze+yBFGYaskrGsfyCBqjsiH lDu2W90j4WA+NDRalsth0984pN63P47lFD3TuTSso16OCUotDpxDZV9teM4uDmKQHC cIXfvVrFL65Hw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3FC641202BA; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 18:53:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <837drszozo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 20:39:07 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/14 18:51:12 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257691 Archived-At: >> > Yes, this can be done. But we'd need fort to decide what is the >> > semantics of this: >> > (setq mode-line-thing `(:propertize "%12b" :min-width 10)) >> One solution is to not use text-properties, e.g. > That's what I suggested: to use the "12" part for that. That would limit its applicability to to the few % escape sequences (and would make it more difficult to provide things like centering, min-width, max-width, ...). >> The downside is that this will only work for -line-format, whereas >> this kind of functionality would also be handy within buffer text for >> tabular modes like `proced`. > Outside of the mode line, I don't know how to implement that easily, > because that would need some kind of looking-back to find where the > text property started. Indeed. Maybe the text-property's value should include the information of what is the "starting position". Stefan