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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Robert Weiner <rsw@gnu.org>
Cc: rswgnu@gmail.com,  Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com>,
	cpitclaudel@gmail.com,  Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  Vibhav Pant <vibhavp@gmail.com>,
	 Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.]
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2022 17:28:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvr133nrj2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+OMD9gj+kSh7o7CFzx+GoWuxVwWM2KjPJ0pm2v1ry9-M38wHA@mail.gmail.com> (Robert Weiner's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:31:35 -0400")

> I'm with you on your thoughts about removing the need for users to often
> have to deal with byte-code or native-code compilation differences when
> running different major versions of Emacs.  But it is now 2022 and the
> situation seems to be much worse than it was five years ago.

What makes you think it is worse?

> Say you use Emacs 27, 28 and 29,

5 years ago, that would have been ... 25, 26, and 27, right?

> some with native compilation and some not.

AFAIK native compilation is fully transparent, so it shouldn't make
cause any extra trouble for the end-user (except maybe when it doesn't
work, but that's a separate issue).

> But you want to keep the same set of packages in use across all
> these installations.

The rule is that you need to compile with the oldest Emacs you're
still using.  Can you think of a package that can be compiled with
Emacs-27 but whose resulting .elc files won't work in Emacs-29?

AFAIK the only problem with a situation like the one you describe
is when the user install a package with Emacs-NN and then tries to use
this package with Emacs-MM where MM < NN.

Ideally, we should detect this situation and force a recompilation of
the package (the result of which should still work fine on Emacs-NN).
The .elc files already contain the needed info: they start with
";ELC<NN>" where <NN> is a char that represents the major version of
Emacs that compiled this file (char code 28 for both Emacs-28.1 and
Emacs-28.2).

So it's a "small matter" of adding code to detect when we load a file
that's been compiled by a "future Emacs" and then cause it to be recompiled.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-02 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-06 17:50 [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-07  8:45   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 14:41     ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <CA+T2Sh3N09WGoHtNL3BbptsKA1ZdwWedTNDd0vmeBe0fTO5a1g@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <CA+T2Sh2sa6=WOvyePzL_ACR0Nw=jTnZze_xXFcvL=22OURP=ZA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-07 15:21           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 13:50   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 15:56     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-08 13:38       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 16:21         ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-08 17:46           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 13:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-08 17:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-23  4:35           ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] Tino Calancha
2017-02-23  8:36             ` Richard Copley
2017-02-23 10:12               ` Tino Calancha
2022-07-04 12:24               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-23 13:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-23 14:33               ` Kaushal Modi
2017-02-23 15:10                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-02 20:31                   ` Robert Weiner
2022-07-02 21:28                     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
     [not found]               ` <CA+T2Sh29UhuNrhRZG=PPQbYYHtONXwyb8dX4rBVLmwdORLELhg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-23 17:50                 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-04-11 17:40               ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase Lars Brinkhoff
2017-02-23 16:15             ` Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase [was: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables.] raman
2017-02-23 17:24               ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 17:50                 ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 18:02                   ` Drew Adams
2017-02-23 18:24                     ` T.V Raman
2017-02-23 19:00                       ` Drew Adams
2017-02-24  2:06                       ` defsubst VS defun or defmacro [was RE: Compiled code in Emacs-26 will fail in Emacs-25 if use pcase] Tino Calancha
2017-02-24  3:14                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24  3:56                           ` raman
2017-02-24  4:20                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-24  3:51                         ` raman
2017-02-09 17:32         ` [PATCH]: Add new bytecode op `switch' for implementing branch tables Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-09 19:15         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10  4:12           ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10  4:17             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-02-10  5:03               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10  6:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 13:51                   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 15:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-10 17:59                       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 18:25                         ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-10 20:47                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-02-10 20:58                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-11 15:07                             ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-12  3:10                               ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-13  7:18                                 ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-09 16:37       ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-06 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-07 14:26   ` Vibhav Pant
2017-02-07 16:14     ` Eli Zaretskii

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