From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-o Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <14611EDD-48F7-4BEB-AACD-EDD8CB815C3A@dancol.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23851"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Daniel Colascione , drew.adams@oracle.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, acm@muc.de, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 02 19:53:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sOhgp-0005nP-8o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 19:53:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOhfy-0007ce-Qy; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOhfw-0007aB-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:52:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sOhft-0001IG-9h; Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:52:19 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A0B5D80A1B; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 13:52:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1719942734; bh=JBBKHOu5DaTMjdX/eEFfqewAFHjDOPaIRUU7tj1bFvQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=OiEHkI+TmYdTdYpGGdy8JueulFfMZWYr/LVa/muhJbtbrjyGPKoiIly/zSw+8lzBf FMfw2QcFUAFt3WAWChGuCagKXs8SwDp9fXXHW6lI6rEVuiCNRPMoolBYVD9wkZghcx qpgfibBh7HxhUe16MoXb6xu11w6peuGXkXlkLn0l6rSwpg26aZKyIvI/Sa73aVZYFy fTnnV77hmJzZS4QnvFTE4VmVKR9oIuoB4RY6pcExdnhJj5nClIrPts48Ms8DpDpr/X JL+eXA17HLjb7KfGbJQSW2kgte3S/ajYJgYLnMYc2+AdFpQ/niktCV6nQbxC+4tAO0 YRPPjMTxDkWUA== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1203D80016; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 13:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from asado (unknown [23.233.149.155]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE5EC120A42; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Alfred M. Szmidt's message of "Tue, 02 Jul 2024 13:18:34 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321189 Archived-At: > Seeing how hard it is to agree on adding a new keybinding where none > exist, can we not descend into madness where we fload ideas to modifiy > things that have existed in Emacs since TECO days -- suggesting to > modify C-o is a hornets nest that one shouldn't touch. To clarify: I started this `C-o` subthread for the sole purpose of understanding what I'm missing. I have no intention to change the `C-o` binding (I'd even argue it's good to keep such a short "useless" binding around since it acts as a kind of "user-reserved" key). Stefan