From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: emacs -Q option Date: 05 Feb 2004 09:57:51 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1075993317 20817 80.91.224.253 (5 Feb 2004 15:01:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 05 16:01:39 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aol0d-0003iH-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:01:39 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Aol0c-0002TL-00 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:01:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aokyl-0007wO-Dh for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:59:43 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Aokxb-0007hC-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:58:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1Aokx1-0007QA-NZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:58:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [132.204.24.67] (helo=mercure.iro.umontreal.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Aokx0-0007Pr-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:57:54 -0500 Original-Received: from asado.iro.umontreal.ca (asado.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.24.84]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C4B2131C; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:57:52 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by asado.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B880B8C708; Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:57:51 -0500 (EST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, requis 5, BAYES_01 -1.52) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:19748 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:19748 Obviously there are two issues: 1 - Get reproducible bug reports that do not depend on the user's settings. For this we need something like --pristine (aka --vanilla in XEmacs) which ignores startup files and Xresources. 2 - Reduce the amount of code involved when debugging things like display bugs. For this we need something like --stipped-down or --minimal or whatever you want to call it. Additionally to tool-bar and stuff, it could also turn off jit-lock-mode and maybe a few others (jit-lock makes font-lock related debugging harder). I guess --minimal should imply --vanilla. Stefan