From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Next release Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18457.37369.262079.668907@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <5jr6clncn8.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87od7p22dw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200805021331.m42DVYVw016584@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805021610.m42GAhkE001271@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200805040056.m440u3eS022727@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209871330 14355 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2008 03:22:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 03:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , Chong Yidong , Dan Nicolaescu , Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 04 05:22:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JsUoE-0007u0-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 May 2008 05:22:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsUnW-0008QW-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsUnT-0008Pb-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JsUnR-0008No-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48859 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JsUnR-0008Nb-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:53 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182] helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JsUnL-0000PV-CQ; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:47 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjUCAHrIHEjO+JghdGdsb2JhbACBU5AcASeYKA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,432,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="19882054" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 03 May 2008 23:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.152.33]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id KIZ07838; Sat, 03 May 2008 23:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 93C64856B; Sat, 3 May 2008 23:21:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu's message of "Sun, 04 May 2008 10:57:17 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96415 Archived-At: >> We're still waiting for someone to actually finish the merge w.r.t >> the Carbon port. This can only be done by someone who understand >> enough of the Carbon port. You seem like our best hope here. > As I said in > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-03/msg00419.html, I > don't have a plan to develop the Carbon (not Carbon+AppKit) port of > Emacs 23. By "Carbon" I mean both Carbon and Carbon+AppKit, since I don't know the actual difference between the two. >> I do not know why you seem to be so offended by the multi-tty code. >> Maybe if you explained it, we could work it through. Its being >> non-working and without anybody willing to fix it is basically the >> main reason why we started to look into the Emacs.app code. It is a >> pity to throw away this code. > The breakage of the Carbon port is definitely NOT a reason. Well, one > of the reasons would be that I found some changes that are totally > unrelated to multi-tty. Yes, the merge had its share of problems, but the fact that Lorentey wasn't around made it worse. But I don't know what unrelated change you may be thinking about. > Another reason is no clear explanation given > about preloading term/*-win. There was some explanation given via email at some point. IIRC, the issue is that the multi-tty feature introduced the possibility that an Emacs session that starts using X11 (resp tty) may later be asked to open a tty (resp X11) terminal. But loading *-win.el after Emacs has been running for a while apparently introduced problems, so the code was changed to eagerly load all the term/*-win.el files that may be used later on during the session. At that point, since x-win.el is loaded regardless of whether we only use X11 or tty, it is a perfect candidate for preloading. Why is that a problem? Stefan