From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87zlies8wo.fsf@xemacs.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1230689221 25973 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2008 02:07:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, "Stephen J. Turnbull" , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 31 03:08:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LHqV2-0007JW-Up for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:07:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42585 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHqTp-0005w0-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHqTj-0005vl-Ne for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LHqTi-0005vR-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45143 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LHqTh-0005vM-UL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:33 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:47773 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LHqTc-0008I5-PM; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:28 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqYEAM5iWklLd+aG/2dsb2JhbACBbMsZhkSBZw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,305,1228107600"; d="scan'208";a="31628298" Original-Received: from 75-119-230-134.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.230.134]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2008 21:06:27 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CA08FB41B5; Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:06:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:26:52 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:107440 Archived-At: > (make-frame '((terminal DESCRIPTOR) > (terminal-type TYPE))) > I think this is not very different from the current situation, as > regards Lisp calls. The reason for make-frame-on-display and > make-frame-on-tty is for invocation with M-x, where you need to > specify the terminal with a string. > These commands could be merged by using a heuristic to > tell whether the argument is a tty device or an X server. I don't think it's important to merge them. More important is to make it clear why they exist. E.g. by marking them as "not for use from Elisp" and/or by documenting which `make-frame' call is equivalent when called from Elisp. Stefan