From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Removing rollback from VC mode - request for comment Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141211092138.6D5F6C008E@snark.thyrsus.com> <20141211123629.GA25499@thyrsus.com> <83fvcmtax5.fsf@gnu.org> <87wq5y9l4e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83wq5yrr77.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3w5sy1g.fsf@gnu.org> <87bnn8hn62.fsf@yahoo.fr> <83sigkr7u5.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohe4eo7.fsf@bernoul.li> <83h9wyxbxt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418599797 30722 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 23:29:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: john.b.mastro@gmail.com, theonewiththeevillook@yahoo.fr, Jonas Bernoulli , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 00:29:50 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Ibl-0005q1-RA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:29:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37440 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Ibl-0004we-EZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0IbS-0004wY-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0IbK-0000a4-GR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:1201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Ib4-0008Kz-Ox; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:06 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskIAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMp3BAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBBgEBAQEekG8HhEgFiwGSMY9zggqBeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: AskIAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYMp3BAICgSQXAQEBAQEBfIQDAQEDAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiEoJ1lkBAQEBBgEBAQEekG8HhEgFiwGSMY9zggqBeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="101721064" Original-Received: from 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.192]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Dec 2014 18:29:06 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 99EF525A8; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:29:04 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83h9wyxbxt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:34:38 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180113 Archived-At: > strings. The Emacs display engine was never meant to cope with such > massive usage of these features. I think magit also uses a lot of > overlay/display strings with newlines, or maybe it did in the past. > That is one of the nastiest thing to do with Emacs display. (I can > explain if you are interested.) FWIW, nhexl-mode is also guilty of very heavy use of display strings. > And frankly, I don't understand why this kind of design was necessary: I don't know enough about Magit to have an informed opinion, but your analysis makes sense, indeed. In the case of nhexl-mode we don't have the luxury of changing the buffer's content. Stefan