From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: "Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>
Cc: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: custom-set-variables considered harmful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 10:00:34 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvpo812l3a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADtN0WKD4sQxHH+pOKo6BVqQkYG-3yBaT=dm6G3A8p1YijRsEQ@mail.gmail.com> ("Elias Mårtenson"'s message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:36:21 +0800")
> Thus, if you use ‘setq’ instead of ‘custom-set-variable’ you need to
> manually check every single variable to ensure they don't have setter
> functions assigned. If you want to be thorough (nobody is) you also
> need to check them every time your modules are updated. This is not
> just a theoretical situation.
Note that there are also many situations where the var has a setter, yet
doing (setq foo val) on it from your ~/.emacs will still work correctly
(as long as you do it before loading the library).
I'd argue it's actually the most frequent case.
> It happened in gnu-apl-mode, a library for which I am the maintainer.
> In it, the variable ‘gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix’ got a setter function
> after the fact.
Looking at gnu-apl-mode.el, I get the impression that this is no
exception:
(setq gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix "C-")
(require 'gnu-apl-mode)
will result in the exact same state as
(customize-set-variable 'gnu-apl-mode-map-prefix "C-")
(require 'gnu-apl-mode)
after gnu-apl-mode is loaded, OTOH you indeed need to use
customize-set-variable because a setq would have no real effect.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-29 15:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-04 17:10 custom-set-variables considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2017-11-06 9:02 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-06 12:19 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-06 16:36 ` raman
2017-11-07 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 10:06 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 14:23 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 15:34 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-13 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 7:04 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-24 7:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 17:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-24 17:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-26 12:15 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-26 16:30 ` Drew Adams
2017-11-28 14:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-28 16:50 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-01 9:44 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-29 3:36 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2017-11-29 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 20:42 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-02 0:10 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-02 1:58 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-02 5:56 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-11-29 16:35 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 19:57 ` Scott Randby
2017-11-29 22:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30 0:40 ` Scott Randby
2017-12-01 9:51 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-12-04 13:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:05 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-04 23:50 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-05 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-23 20:12 ` John Wiegley
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