From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tree-sitter introduction documentation Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <71cfe4e8-3bb8-b0a6-9be5-8c0a6d92cfab@yandex.ru> <83h6xg29z3.fsf@gnu.org> <838ris22n4.fsf@gnu.org> <8335901zz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz84y5le.fsf@posteo.net> <3F91FDEA-881A-49DB-BB52-5A0D81C004CE@gmail.com> <87k02aihrz.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce08480352653995b8@heytings.org> <87r0wigqnb.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce08480372e6e5db04@heytings.org> <87358ygmm4.fsf@posteo.net> <86ce084803fb642d8fae@heytings.org> <87r0wif59x.fsf@posteo.net> <83y1qq6p3y.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8lu6m2d.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17370"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: philipk@posteo.net, gregory@heytings.org, casouri@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 29 20:49:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pAyuA-0004Fu-Nm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 20:49:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAytZ-0007BJ-PV; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAytY-0007Am-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pAytW-0002ex-J0; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:51 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 73D4080608; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DB3208026A; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1672343326; bh=GsJ9g24T0Rg7O+YiPvbCfcTCfE5VaCBgBJ1lYba3B0U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=EOMGDDAFrRmbLF4WIVwYsJ++dUZQf+TL3EzJIwX2+fDr8ii+jUxHHxJEGPVcot9Rk GrX082W7CMQ172usO3RyARIhcp3o7MHfQNce5KetmA90Jxx0bZmWiPpoKF5C8qFZ2/ sVAvrs3xqGcoA6WLxMHdKchrcUJDHl+c3M1Gvhdv9kWP8by+CHpG0iQVWZnWUqmfGa ergoF+18HSrpU9BiQ5V3I6flTzhcnd8rfZJyY+sum587wAPScrPmZdKglM+KrPxwHY +PfrFbnO7tJmtsuxcA5dpUKlRoj1luxc03+MSWlUjVXBsmpvRWy0hx93Q5nMVsbM5O cj46IdSDi7PJw== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.200.228]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 757911201C2; Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:48:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83v8lu6m2d.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 Dec 2022 21:34:34 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302064 Archived-At: >> I don't think the two can really be compared. >> Major modes have been parsing our files (and Emacs users have been >> modifying those parsers) from the very early days of Emacs. > Yes, in ad-hoc-ish way that is not scalable. We want to do better by > using real parsers. I don't think the need to modify the parsers was exclusively due to the fact that they were ad-hoc and not scalable :-) >> > So let's stay focused on letting our "normal" users use the benefits >> > of these technologies first, and care about those who want to change >> > the grammars second. >> Agreed. But I think the first is well on its way > I wish. Witness the other thread which just started. Funny, I see it as evidence in favor of the fact that it's well on its way. Stefan