From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20091118191258.GA2676@muc.de> <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <87aayitvoy.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vdh57tp2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878we1ekb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258726647 13474 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 14:17:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , Alan Mackenzie , Jason Rumney , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 15:17:20 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBUIR-0004wC-3W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:17:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45644 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBUIQ-0007yw-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:17:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBUHc-0007e3-8y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBUHX-0007bq-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53894 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBUHX-0007bi-9u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:34740 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBUHT-0004td-O2; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:11 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAOczBkvO+IIa/2dsb2JhbACBTtMbhDwEgxeGZA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,777,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="49726924" Original-Received: from 206-248-130-26.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.26]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2009 09:16:10 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9684C80E3; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:16:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878we1ekb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:11 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117355 Archived-At: >> What representation is used for them is secondary, but using different >> representations for the two cases doesn't seem to be a source >> of problems. The source of problems is that inherited history where we >> mixed the unibyte and multibyte objects and treid to pretend they were >> just one and the same thing and that conversion between them can be >> done automatically. > Er, they *were* one and the same thing because of string-as-unibyte > and friends. string-as-unibyte returns a new string, so no: they were not the same. Stefan