From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:24:38 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y61nnpoq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwnuacc5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tycamhmv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87pqmxvfoh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjrttwh8.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307018535 3028 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2011 12:42:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:42:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 02 14:42:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QS7E1-0001ww-CV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:42:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55581 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS7E0-00018c-DL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47407) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6xA-00058A-ST for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:24:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6x9-0002V7-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:24:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:38901) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6x8-0002Uz-SU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: from 121-249-126-200.fibertel.com.ar ([200.126.249.121]:17021 helo=ceviche.home) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS6x8-0003ko-DW; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:24:42 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BACCB660DD; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 09:24:38 -0300 (ART) In-Reply-To: (Robert Pluim's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:57:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140057 Archived-At: >>> From my perspective the chief benefit is that any `auth-source-search' >>> call against an unencrypted file will not require a passphrase until the >>> password is actually needed, and yet the password will be stored >>> securely. >> Sounds OK. But only if you push if further and deprecate >> authinfo.gpg. > I'm not clear on why you'd want that. I'm not convinced it would be a good thing, but as long as we encourage users to use authinfo.gpg, then any code using auth-source.el will want to decide whether authentication is needed *before* calling auth-source since that call may prompt the user for a password. And if the code has to make that decision before calling auth-source, there's no real benefit to having field-encryption. Stefan