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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git?
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:04:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvoarnwhab.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m27fybjuk7.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:47:36 -0500")

> The branch defines both actual modules and the means to load and call
> them.  Currently they can call the Emacs core directly, so there's no
> API.  Aurélien was already asking how to define a global variable from
> inside a module.

Exactly.

By "API" I meant something like a .h file which modules can include to
define the functions and datatypes that they can use.  I.e. by API
I mean those things that the module code can do, rather than the things
that Emacs code can do with modules.

Currently you can use anything, which is clearly incompatible with
providing some amount of API stability.

> Also modules can have a license and other metadata that should be easy
> to obtain before loading them.  So I hope the API is settled to some
> degree before we merge.

The code to check modules's license and to load them should be settled,
indeed.  I don't see any big problems on this side.

OTOH the API above probably will take a long time to settle, much
longer than "before we merge" and probably even longer than "before the
next release".

Another part of the modules's infrastructure will be to provide support
for building/installing modules via something like ELPA.

So, IIUC currently we have the first part (load a module) mostly working.
The second part (define an API) will shape up as experience is gained by
writing modules.
The third part (ELPA support) is still in the future.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-01 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 265+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-17 12:46 Network security manager Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 13:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 13:59   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-17 14:04     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:17     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 14:21       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:00       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:06         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 17:31           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 18:06             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 15:22         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:04           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 18:55             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 16:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 14:00   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 16:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 15:19   ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-17 15:24     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 15:29       ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 15:38         ` Kelvin White
2014-11-17 18:49         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 18:58         ` Rob Browning
2014-11-17 19:07           ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-18  8:52             ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-11-18 14:54               ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 22:53         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:16           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 23:26             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:19               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-17 23:51           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:41             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 14:57               ` Rasmus
2014-11-18 15:01                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:44                   ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:48                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:03               ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:10                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:23                   ` Tassilo Horn
2014-11-18 15:17               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:30                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:40                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:45                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:49                     ` Achim Gratz
2014-11-18 19:53                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:17                         ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:28                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:47                     ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:29                         ` N. Jackson
2014-11-18 21:36                           ` David Engster
2014-11-18 21:55                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:02                               ` David Engster
2014-11-19  0:05                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-18 10:12           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 15:10             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:29               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:58                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:15                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:35                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 16:41                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:00                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:23                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:40                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:57                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 17:54                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:08                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:13                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:18                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:19                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:22                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:26                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 19:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 19:24                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 20:40                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 20:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 23:02                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 23:31                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  8:37                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:17                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:23                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:46                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 21:11                                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  7:39                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:51                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  2:09                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19  3:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 13:40                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 13:51                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:45                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:30                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:36                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 15:47                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:53                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 16:12                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:12                                                             ` EWW buffers Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-19 16:17                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 17:10                                                                 ` bug#19109: eww-setup-buffer: use set-buffer instead of switch-to-buffer Ivan Shmakov
     [not found]                                                                   ` <m3r3wznli0.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <87sih9u4pa.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net>
     [not found]                                                                       ` <v2tx1p4syz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-11-23 19:35                                                                         ` mailing control@, but requesting that no replies be sent there Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  0:22                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Glenn Morris
2014-11-24  6:50                                                                             ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-24  7:13                                                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-24  5:00                                                                           ` bug#19109: " Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-19 22:27                                                               ` EWW buffers Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20  6:47                                                                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2014-11-21 12:16                                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 15:56                                                     ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-19 22:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-20 16:22                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-20 23:34                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21  8:10                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21  9:24                                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21  9:40                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-21 11:12                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-21 10:36                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-21 13:30                                                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-21 15:05                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-21 15:02                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 18:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:41                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 18:42                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-18 18:22                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:28                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 17:36                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:44                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 18:10                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:09                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
     [not found]                     ` <87egt0792y.fsf@echidna.jochen.org>
2014-11-18 17:28                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  4:31                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19  5:43                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:44                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:09                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:19                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 11:41                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 11:50                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:11                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-19 14:16                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  8:46                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:50               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:06                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:10                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:54                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:57                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:18                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:54                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19  6:03                               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19  8:55                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:05                                   ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:17                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 12:26                                       ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-19 12:29                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:53                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 19:59                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:23                                             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2014-11-23 20:36                                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 20:41                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:24                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-23 22:30                                                     ` joakim
2014-11-30 13:38                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 22:29                                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01  3:10                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-19 14:35                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 16:33                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-19 16:38                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-19 21:00                                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:23                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 19:45             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 20:33               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:37                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:37               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 21:57                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:03                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 15:22           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 15:33             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 17:03           ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-18 17:17             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-11-18 17:41               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-22 10:27           ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-17 16:57   ` Romain Francoise
2014-11-17 18:30     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18  8:29       ` Stephen Leake
2014-11-18 15:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-18 16:01           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-18 16:24             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 21:21               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-18 22:25                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-18 22:28                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-11-22  5:24             ` emacs-dynamic-module in Emacs Git? Stephen Leake
2014-11-22 15:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-22 17:12                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-22 23:28                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-23 10:38                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-24  1:19                     ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-25 10:05                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-26 17:05                         ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27  2:10                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-27 15:38                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-11-27 15:45                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-29 17:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 17:45                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 14:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-30 15:42                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 18:09                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01  0:44                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01  3:41                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 10:31                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 13:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 14:10                                             ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 14:47                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 15:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2014-12-01 15:36                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 16:28                                                   ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 17:05                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 22:46                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-01 17:44                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 19:40                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 20:19                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02 21:22                                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-04 20:40                                                           ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-05  1:02                                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-05  2:43                                                               ` Ivan Andrus
2014-12-10  0:53                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-11 15:49                                                                 ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-11 14:35                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-01 19:12                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 22:42                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  1:16                                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-02  3:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-01 16:21                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 13:59                               ` Aurélien Aptel
2014-12-01 16:51                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 22:58                                   ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-02  3:33                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03  9:27                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 13:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-03 17:41                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02  3:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 17:58                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-02 18:09                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 10:04                                       ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 10:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-12-03 21:11                                           ` Stephen Leake
2014-12-03 17:56                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 19:05                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-17 16:07 ` Network security manager Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 18:58   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-17 19:37       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 19:49         ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-11-17 20:00           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-17 20:31             ` Óscar Fuentes

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