From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:33:39 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31xkue1.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87mw6tj8gp.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87sigifh44.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418596462 14882 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 22:34:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , Richard Stallman , emacs To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 23:34:14 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Hjx-0003Qk-V8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:34:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37335 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Hjx-0003gB-G1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:34:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51280) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0Hjc-0003g0-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:33:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HjS-0001eD-AN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:56191) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0HjS-0001dx-6K; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:33:42 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjsPAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IPAS-Result: AjsPAOwQflTO+ILA/2dsb2JhbABbgweDYIVaxR0EAgKBJBcBAQEBAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCws0EhQYDSSISgnWWQEBAQcBAQEBHpBvB4RIBYsBpC6BeIQZIYJ3AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,502,1413259200"; d="scan'208";a="101678001" Original-Received: from 206-248-130-192.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.130.192]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 14 Dec 2014 17:33:39 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9AF9C25A5; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:33:39 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87sigifh44.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2014 23:20:11 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180108 Archived-At: > I don't see why that's more of a concern than "client-side Lisp". Or any other language for that matter, indeed. > The problem with ecmascript on the web is (a) licensing and (b) > whether you can trust the source. There's also the (c) which is that it's a lot more difficult to modify this code. There's the issue of performing the modification itself, but also the fact that the code you run is often tightly integrated with external code or with the specific format of the served document, so even if you can arrange some kind of "on the fly rewrite or redirection" the code, you may be served a completely different kind of code next time around and the change you made may have become unusable. Stefan