From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <558D6A3D.1070706@yandex.ru> <558DD6EA.4090306@yandex.ru> <558F497A.8050304@yandex.ru> <55926A9E.40901@yandex.ru> <5592A3D7.9060608@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435686103 12981 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2015 17:41:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, Paul Eggert , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 30 19:41:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9zXH-0000Ag-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:41:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48028 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9zXG-0005Cg-E6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33068) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9zX9-00057m-Ub for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9zX4-0007nY-VS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:11907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9zX4-0007mz-Ro; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:18 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CbDQA731xV/2cGNJ1cgxCBMoJQyGAEAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSQTiCQIzyMBAQEHAgEfizqFBQeELQW1BCOBZiQcgW4iMYJHAQEB X-IPAS-Result: A0CbDQA731xV/2cGNJ1cgxCBMoJQyGAEAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSQTiCQIzyMBAQEHAgEfizqFBQeELQW1BCOBZiQcgW4iMYJHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="128882817" Original-Received: from 157-52-6-103.cpe.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([157.52.6.103]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2015 13:41:15 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 59B7F5FE1B; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:41:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <5592A3D7.9060608@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:12:39 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187689 Archived-At: >> Why can't we use just \ instead of \= ? > We can (and that's what my first proposal did), but it'll require > changing a certain amount of existing docstrings, Why? [ Assuming we still accept "\=". ] > and some of them will look less nice as a result. Do you have examples? > Such as substitute-command-keys one, where we'll have to escape all > those backslashes. AFAICT they're already escaped (with \=), so that would not be worse, or am I missing something? > Adding a yet-another quoting method is not ideal either. That's a downside, but \ is "the standard quoting method", so I think overall it could be counted as removing an escaping method rather than adding one. > However, if we change \= to \ as the quoting method in > substitute-command-keys as well, that will be less of > a problem. Hmm... yes, the idea is to use \ instead of \=, everywhere. > Backward compatibility might be, but I've seen no evidence > thus far, of \= being used anywhere outside of Emacs core. We'd probably want to keep supporting \= for a while anyway. >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Schwab writes: > But it will break doc strings that use \. Which case are you thinking of? Stefan