From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "whether the global keymap C-x 4 will be replaced by a command," Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ft9woo68.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo377wxp.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83ft9um9op.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34915"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 14 17:16:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jvMfo-0008zJ-Lz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:16:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34596 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvMfn-0002az-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39356) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvMf2-00027p-RK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:56761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jvMf0-0000dp-GX; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:59 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 40B264413D6; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D3CA0441306; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1594739754; bh=zv6tjuls0Sh76m3I7QJRcIKVNcqV2tUdarhJI6A0QXY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DIPBSSqnEnTl0FnPg5lifnr0dYu8cms+ChJnhCW9XuKOPTOpyHsfFxHwQE4p9D+ph Lq/fpJViqlSCZLG3JsxTuWU4BtxrGsDAiCmeQv2/3CK3oZGmhEOuAwAF8PJIcbJBWn jdV6dMtIzfYM4ceodhZdkf3YfCc5K39sYeRj7BcjmBelAymQCm8IDuMHYwOYxqj9DA UEl1ilXA2MASOihavpv4pgmGmuh2mA1qsK2/+2s9OTbJghkZqysgusxFyPV1KhmBzI +lDFmZsfJwOugNZu40gLFw/C1UFhy/bEFX3GaqtaazSgYt5zDEXi/HVyN2MTYGp7zN giRLIyk/5Lelw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.129.42]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7ECB012077F; Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83ft9um9op.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:51:34 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/14 10:41:29 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252952 Archived-At: >> But maybe we could make the following work: `C-x 4 C-h k C-f`. > How would the user remember when to start with C-h and when to type it > in the middle of a key sequence? `C-x 4 C-f` would run 2 commands, just like `C-u C-f`, so just like you can't do `C-x k C-u C-f` (because the `C-x k` stops after `C-u`). So all the user needs to know is that `C-x 4` is a command and not s keymap. BTW, we have th same problem with `C-x e e`: I can't do `C-x k C-x e e` because `C-x k` stops after `C-x e`. So for the same reason it would be good to make it possible to do `C-x e C-x k e` to find out what `e` is really bound to. Stefan