From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing. Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200924013655.asv2tem25cbwv5et@Ergus> <2ACED303-9A2C-4363-BE56-2E9AF0B8DC85@posteo.net> <20200925002239.fgg3vw2nylltcoyp@Ergus> <219042AC-556D-48CC-8920-82D9BF2BD3AA@aol.com> <3A81FB67-A558-4281-8285-CDD9B01033E3@posteo.net> <1C949FC9-6023-467E-99EC-75D57B08AFB0@gnu.support> <20200929124513.fd745r2txowwbiir@Ergus> <87blho7af9.fsf@red-bean.com> <20200929215849.zg4wzytbrwx2b7ih@Ergus> <84B86B7C-81F0-42DF-894C-BF577E4B3D6E@mit.edu> <83a6x7js6y.fsf@gnu.org> <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1977"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Ergus , Fermin , Jean Louis , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , Eli Zaretskii To: Qiantan Hong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 30 19:14:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNfg2-0000PQ-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:14:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39118 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNfg0-0007Yt-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:14:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNfaS-0000bw-Gq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:3441) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNfaP-0000QM-MB; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 859B944093E; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4FE07440916; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1601485691; bh=yCB1Q1xur4P2s1yJLSZ59XzGvSyfI/NAnT9XCaKuSTI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eQ79FAvJw3i5zm7nwTMK/14vYsDP62M5Psw8KJ1+fLGDUebsUdc9kMB+unZK5BY4/ WBYRK+xbzxejGil+vnCachvK1hOuM7KwNevK/Tth1zKylkNb2b1Xf8nGd5eGbv/4xH Sg890OE2sXj6p68Uo8ujlZa6TtsSdQCJE6gx/qK9dhtWBX+76ID7ODlB47wYPMXvOw 9WUwQXGx+Ufm4j8qULV8zXNO6J3ecFgmMH8op2N86GqT9FtTFamB/i2OQdNm2hJlS3 yMti9r5zfFQNH5tGk+5rKMyDeYjMH6ZOQHMZYnmkM1WDz3QVpNjKPw4Q3AeiKsoxBE 2cT63nPuuovEg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 089461201D0; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:08:11 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Qiantan Hong's message of "Wed, 30 Sep 2020 17:00:46 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/30 11:51:22 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256777 Archived-At: > That=E2=80=99s a workaround, but I=E2=80=99m not sure if it can capture u= ser intent > (i.e. it gives operation-wise information rather than just a diff between > versions of buffer). If it can=E2=80=99t then we will need to implement b= oth > update based on modification-hooks and change state of the buffer, > which is an additional impl/maintenance burden. I think you're worrying about a non-problem: if the modification hooks aren't run when you need them, then consider it as a bug in the code that performed those modifications or in the code that prevented the hooks from being run. Stefan