From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:28:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <8335zgd9xu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, Eli Zaretskii , juri@linkov.net, larsi@gnus.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 16:30:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAlx-0009LE-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:30:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47096 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAlw-0004wS-EE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:30:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAjr-0003Cq-8W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:28:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:29929) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAjo-0002p7-R5; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BA62B441180; Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:28:38 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8B113440B42; Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:28:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1609946917; bh=5KeDTKTiiAegh9ygxm73J90ieSgGALmH0tNpngzPe7A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=loxkcLuVhF/n8VScmnNeluKeGsOAFO6S4zki0odWp8ilBqMbsQKHjoBr1E/DyE0iX O1MWGaXvfwf+DlWRUXtNYeQ/t4CRJlVlp5Dy+UqKsDg8ec0PJZcJi2zaC7cQ4ikw06 +ATc/KamB/OH+7QhGUmoRJxhniZ0msPiq7OFcNMDErx4f26d66ovabUVHpXIk6PGsj x3Z+3j0EU++ITGgUthLJ3Pqe5Kdt1iznHEJ5XgFOTL+PYUbKDcc+g3Q9ZGIXofygiT Y/NJFi5t+OwtcF2UOgUTnGlpWaXFKI3cZrQgz7DTmh5sb/gY0m4XUubJiO5n+3JYHu 0xDvo3Yd0u10g== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.224.181]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CE1D1203D6; Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:28:37 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:17 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262603 Archived-At: > 1. A bug is reported. Most of us are not interested in fixing that bug > so we don't read the messages about it. > 2. People discussing it in the bug thread propose > and agree on a certain change. > 3. It happens to be a change in user interface. > 4. They implement it without ever discussing it on emacs-devel. > 5. Before we notice the change, a new release is made. > 6. Some of us object and we are told, "Because this change has been in a > release, we will not undo it (or even revert the default) unless there > are strong objections." > > How often does this happen? I don't know. We know it happens extremely rarely. > But why let it happen? Because preventing it requires undue burden. The cure is worse than the disease. Stefan