From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: plz -> curl? Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874k1vzyom.fsf@posteo.net> <104ffa6b-12ae-53df-e289-aba7d7200654@alphapapa.net> <87o7zxnfsg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pmkcmv2t.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnekmpsb.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38977"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Richard Stallman , Adam Porter , philipk@posteo.net, mardani29@yahoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 17 15:56:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nqxgT-0009uh-Jf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 15:56:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47350 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqxgS-0001QZ-La for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 09:56:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48840) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqw24-0004Bl-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:48843) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nqw21-00089Y-Je; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:31 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A326980342; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 66DAA80626; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1652789422; bh=KqanSso0VDCVW+lrwgFEduLZ8iDOvnJaF4SDfrJpuAE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=f4B6pO5vJEka0qv7+mehDtv5hs30v0PkKyreJz0zCoEZMlxgvYUBqYrA9k3ajTqnl 4hQroM73AHE34YI5L/egvfGG4Sl3kDv0mRHtX9Jqx1FrEJQZJyMp/sGKaUrFDiGsh4 F80bi938+uR/9zlyR+MU50BAcxTS+q2R10d9NZHMJpC4Lfx5uIgyHqNW4Mji1RKxq3 7sNocGnk3xs/lF7mxE1rZTphtynlIsjMW7W+XriUgBdzkLZmKgJhKdFGtbB5ajKEDi 9RNwdW8R6pXzuaeXs9f0rVMKQ8dRHbFH5UmLQefC04HndYKK7Bd51STSyFk9fCrrft o6yg2yFpndj2g== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F86E120790; Tue, 17 May 2022 08:10:22 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87wnekmpsb.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Tue, 17 May 2022 18:12:04 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289849 Archived-At: >> People will choose the names they want for their packages, and that's >> fine -- it's a free world, and aggressively trying to make people change >> the names of their packages isn't only rude, it's counter productive. > Politely discouraging a counter-productive practice such as naming > packages in a confusing way is neither rude nor counter-productive. There's a long tradition in ELisp to use "made up" names, like `eglot` and `plz`. AFAICT this is not gratuitous but is the result of having to avoid naming conflicts. E.g. `lsp-mode` uses the `lsp-` prefix, so any package which chooses a name that starts with `lsp-` risks causing a conflict. It's always easy to retrospectively decide which package should have which name (after the dust has settled and one of the contenders for a given name has accrued a decisive advantage), but backward compatibility as well as the need to choose a name before the dust has settled (which can take a very long time) mean that non-obvious names are here to stay. I don't see any need to fight them or even discourage them. Instead we need to work on improving discoverability based on other things than merely the package name. Stefan