From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Alternative fringe bitmaps for continuation/truncation Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wsmjgrnq.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <4814E9EA.3030000@gnu.org> <87abjegu4j.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209394951 21498 80.91.229.12 (28 Apr 2008 15:02:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 17:03:07 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JqUrk-0007Vj-4c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:02:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49591 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JqUr3-0006DG-Jp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JqUqz-0006C6-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JqUqs-00068J-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45107 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JqUqr-00068G-PY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182] helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JqUqh-0000UO-Bd; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:01:00 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0DAIuDFUjO+JghdGdsb2JhbACBU5AMASeYIg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,716,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="19530782" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 28 Apr 2008 11:00:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.152.33]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id ITC28152; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:52 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id D52D18008; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:00:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87abjegu4j.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> (Kim F. Storm's message of "Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:18:36 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96065 Archived-At: >>>> If you don't like the current "fat (curly) arrows" bitmaps used in the >>>> fringe for continuation and truncation lines, the following more >>>> modest bitmaps may be more appealing. >>>> >>> I think they are likely to invite bug reports about corrupted display if we >>> make them the default. >> I'd tend to agree, although I must say that with the half-width fringes >> I use, these continuation icons look better than the slightly truncated >> arrows (because my fringes aren't wide enough). > For the continuation bitmaps I don't expect such bug reports - > the ... idiom is quite well-known, and the curly arrows are so > much in your face that I suppose many users dislike them. You might be right. >> I'm not convinced by the truncation icons, tho. > I agree that they are a bit too cryptic for general acceptance. > I think these are much better: Indeed. Although at this point I wonder: why not make them of solid lines? I also agree with Jason about the centering (although I believe true "centering" is difficult because these are fixed bitmaps that cannot adapt to the face&font height, but maybe moving them up a couple pixels would be good enough). Stefan PS: Also with my half-width fringes, your right truncation arrow looks less like an arrow than the default arrows: you may want to make them a bit shorter.