From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Package Management Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <485b0c380808011427n4d3144eey3f8daf3abac83bf4@mail.gmail.com> <87ej589vku.fsf@hagelb.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217896268 18864 80.91.229.12 (5 Aug 2008 00:31:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 00:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, phil@hagelb.org, spedrosa@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 05 02:31:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KQASx-0002Mz-Ff for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:31:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37175 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KQAS1-00085e-8l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:30:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KQAQ5-0007Ku-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KQAQ3-0007KF-R9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33509 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KQAQ3-0007K7-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:28:55 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:52593) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQAPx-0004K5-Vk; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-86.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.86]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m750SfP5018045; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 47F5DB41D3; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:33:54 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3074=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102066 Archived-At: >> Loading it encroaches on the user's namespace. > If so, the user is free to not use that package. > Excusing a flaw like that isn't the way to get smooth operation. Some unbundled Elisp packages (and some bundled ones as well, sadly) have all kinds of nasty flaws. Using CL is the least of my worries in this arena, Stefan