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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Daniel Colascione <danc@merrillpress.com>
Cc: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>,
	Daniel Colascione <danc@merrillprint.com>,
	Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com>,
	Steve Yegge <stevey@google.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>,
	Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:09:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmy665nuz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42D4C5C5-E702-4E30-AB95-A016280F20C7@merrillpress.com> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:13:28 -0400")

> C preprocessor on Javascript like we do).  Rigid parsers with nonterminals
> and error productions appear  superficially attractive, but using them for
> all aspects of a mode not  only leads to the issues you discuss below, but
> also prevents that  mode from being reused for similar languages without the
> grammar being  re-worked. It's the wrong approach.

I've had a fairly long exchange with CEDET's author several years ago,
where I made a similar point.  I clearly fully agree: indentation should
work backward from the indentation point and look at as little of the
buffer as possible.  This ensures that if some weird thing is going on
elsewhere in the buffer, it won't interfere.

IOW, the parsing infrastructure (currently limited to syntax-tables and
Lisp) should be able to parse backwards.  I'm leaning towards
operator-precedence-grammars for now.

> enough to warrant the terrible backward  compatibility problems that would
> be generated by a switch to overlays.

The problem is performance (and no, it's not intrinsic to overlays, but
it's what we have, so until someone revampts the implementation it's
what we have to live with).

> That other programmers have resigned themselves to inferior
> fontification is no argument for Emacs to accept it.  Asynchronous
> fontification is completely unacceptable for me, and if it were to
> become commonplace and unavoidable in Emacs, I would simply stay with
> older versions.

I partly agree.  I imagine that it'd be OK for the fontification to take
place in 2 steps: one part on-the-fly and another part with a delay
(this other part could be a refinement which could include
warnings/error messages, but also updates to other parts of the code).


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-11 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-09 23:34 Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:46   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:50     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:58       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:06           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:17             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:46               ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:18         ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:49           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  7:06           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10  8:44             ` Leo
2009-08-10  8:54               ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-10  9:26                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 10:22                   ` Richard Riley
2009-08-10 15:21                   ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 17:01                     ` Drew Adams
2009-08-10 17:21                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  0:43                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11  0:46                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-11 14:06                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:08                           ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 21:43                             ` Leo
2009-08-17  0:34                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 11:44                                 ` Leo
2009-08-17 11:55                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 12:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-17 14:40                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  0:53                         ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:06                         ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  9:17                           ` Leo
2009-08-11 14:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-10 10:41               ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10 13:04                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 14:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  1:13                 ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-11  3:02                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:28                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:33                       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:39                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:45                           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:37                     ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-10  2:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  2:55           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 13:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  0:32   ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:48     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  2:55       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  3:24         ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10  3:27           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  3:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  5:18             ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-10  5:51           ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:22             ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:59               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10 11:01             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 17:35             ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 18:04               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 20:42                 ` David Engster
2009-08-10 20:51                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 22:06                     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-10 22:19                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  1:50                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-11  6:47                           ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-11  9:17                             ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 12:13                             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:37                               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 14:49                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 14:57                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:53                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:36                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 15:56                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:54                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 17:00                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 17:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:57                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 17:06                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 14:50                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-11 15:06                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:11                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:16                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:44                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 18:04                                   ` joakim
2009-08-11 18:08                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 19:12                                       ` joakim
2009-08-11 17:09                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2009-08-11 16:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 18:10                               ` Edward O'Connor
2009-08-12  1:58                               ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-12 13:48                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-12 16:07                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 22:08                                   ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-14  1:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12  2:16                               ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-12  6:43                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-12 11:28                                   ` Xah Lee
2010-11-23 14:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12 15:21                               ` asynchronous parsing (was: "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth) Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 17:16                                 ` asynchronous parsing joakim
2009-08-12 19:39                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 20:01                                     ` joakim
2009-08-13  2:51                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 14:51                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-11 19:48                           ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 18:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 18:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:49           ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  6:46         ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 14:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:05       ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:37         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 14:42           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 19:12           ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:41         ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 14:57           ` Lennart Borgman

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