From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why is Elisp's defvar weird? And is eval_sub broken?
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:03:53 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmw4h7ie6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ahbMLilkT3oQCaVG8BAEdfi0yuqdTKYRS7W2elK3K4r@local> (Kelly Dean's message of "Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:32:01 +0000")
> But that's wrong. If INITVALUE is missing, and lexical-binding is
> t (as is the case in desktop.el), then not only is the value not set,
> but also the variable is _not_ declared special, even if the defvar
> is at top level.
The declaration of the var as being dynamically-scoped (aka "special")
is *local* to the (rest of the) current scope (typically the current file).
This is indispensable so that one package can use a dynamically-bound
variable `foo' without breaking some other package that expects `foo' to
be lexically-bound. Normally, such conflicts should never happen
because all special vars should be named with a "package prefix", but
sadly, reality is different, so it was indispensable to make this
effect local, to allow lexical-binding code to work reliably.
> That means that even after loading desktop.el, if you let-bind the
> three variables above in a function defined in a file other than
> desktop.el, and lexical-binding is t in that other file, then those
> variables will be bound lexically, not dynamically.
That's right.
If you're lucky (more specifically, if you only let-bind those vars but
you don't use them locally), the byte-compiler will emit a warning that
those let-bindings aren't used (which is usually a sign that you need
to add a (defvar <foo>) earlier in the file).
> That's because eval_sub in eval.c looks up the variable in the lexical
> environment using only Fassq, without first using Fmemq to check for
> a local dynamic binding. Is that behavior actually correct?
I wouldn't argue it's correct, but I'd rather not pay the price of an
additional memq check to cater to such brain-dead misuse of defvar.
Arguably, the byte-compiler should flag such misuse, tho currently it
misses it (tho it does catch the case of:
(let ((my-foo 0))
(let ((my-foo 1))
my-foo))
(defvar my-foo)
-- Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-02-13 19:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-12 21:32 Why is Elisp's defvar weird? And is eval_sub broken? Kelly Dean
2015-02-13 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-02-14 7:35 ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-14 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-15 14:17 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-16 5:42 ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-16 7:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-17 23:39 ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-18 22:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-19 10:32 ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-19 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-20 0:11 ` Kelly Dean
2015-02-20 2:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-22 4:11 ` Proposal for a closed-buffer tracker Kelly Dean
2015-02-22 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-22 22:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-22 22:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-02-23 13:53 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-02-23 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-22 21:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-28 10:15 ` Artur Malabarba
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