From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The importance of secrecy Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zi23bg67.fsf@gmail.com> <87efjd3alj.fsf@gmail.com> <878t9dw3it.fsf@gmail.com> <87po2omkbx.fsf@fastmail.fm> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524609751 18538 195.159.176.226 (24 Apr 2018 22:42:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:42:31 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Joost Kremers , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 25 00:42:27 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6dn-0004ie-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32917 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6ft-0000Cj-P1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46852) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6fl-0000CH-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6fg-0003VY-HE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:29 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:44565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB6fg-0003VJ-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w3OMiPWA022141; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:25 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 29EA367F70; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:44:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2018 00:40:07 +0200") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6271=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6271> : inlines <6586> : streams <1784995> : uri <2631123> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224845 Archived-At: > Indeed. I had no idea that my lame joke would get Stefan's serious > reaction, but in this reality, all we can expect from "anonymous > browsing" is that the next person who opens our web browser won't be > confronted by our browsing history. That's not nothing -- it's a > valuable thing -- but we can't in any serious way present that mode as > being "anonymous". As mentioned in my signature, my response was not directed specifically to the issue of the browsing history, but the use of "porn" as the prototypical example of a need for secrecy. It trivializes secrecy and makes it sound like something objectionable. Stefan