From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <0B01B576-3DC7-4FAE-8010-C9B5CB6BA024@icloud.com> <87d084htcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <149F5B4D-F219-409C-A994-096C777259EC@icloud.com> <87v9lweynz.fsf@yahoo.com> <74B639DD-3775-4BE7-B0B2-300B5CE62E14@icloud.com> <87k12bewpq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rnacxr.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dyaye21.fsf@yahoo.com> <87blnlbnba.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v9lsqgqw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87lfmmpet2.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="110468"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: me@enzu.ru, joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, ndame@protonmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 23 17:24:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdiE-000SbG-RC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 17:24:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45582 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdiD-0005v5-TJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:24:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdhX-0005SA-2i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdhV-0000Yb-UR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:2680) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRdhU-0000US-ID; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B918D4504D2; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E7C154504C9; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1587655416; bh=oFFnelOP/qEW/siWzBdSqL2MRY9F03eLQhhh5onWMn8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=n03sddy8x5dkCJvE01zSNNU8Qutv+CTvJukg60DABa6PA+931ejZ5URFhQlptp+IL T3HAkuiSmPinsGQWwiK8jr9OUPhPLI5bs4/FyJ9KrgsZ/iB0NIRGovkjLEa0JHMqqs XtYVGPL+PPP+Jm4UfRSqlpHpCVr+PRJd7h/w6Vcovf5myET9vliASj8gU66VANqikH yUlDCjs3nyX4D/O3zkamSc0i9Em9pycaU1tS9Y26tr+kZlS6iRQp9MJrbxz3tKwoau +eYSfMyNtdDIqnU8fEGIpbFAqgPJlAYjr9ZJJ3b0Q6UqBH3/AbGL2IOXoqQ/rDek04 4Y9YrdVlyYfoQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [104.247.241.114]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E2D41202E2; Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87lfmmpet2.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:27:53 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/23 11:23:38 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247595 Archived-At: > Of the many implementations that I see listed there, most are from the > "let's rewrite Emacs (in our favorite language / better)" camp, and do > include some (or most of) the editing primitives. Of the others, I > don't really see Emacs Lisp, but a glorified MacLISP with optional > lexical binding and some Emacs Lisp-ish features. I was thinking mostly of the "elisp.lisp" package by Sam Steingold (and to a lesser extent librep). > I suppose we're operating on different definitions of what constitutes > "Emacs Lisp". I know for a fact that I operate on several different definitions of what constitutes "Elisp", yes ;-) Stefan