From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: decision on moving core packages to ELPA; also move to obsolete? Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86a6ugnopl.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <83im94b17m.fsf@gnu.org> <834kknatxs.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Daniele Nicolodi , Eli Zaretskii , stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 20:52:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGMb-0003xy-0I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 20:52:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50846 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGMa-0001kR-2j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:52:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGLT-000164-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:38177) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpGLQ-0008JJ-Lb; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:50 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 31A0710024D; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:47 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B268A10021D; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1608061845; bh=3FLrKGgnH3kU1CJy/xfK0bT777I/FKHfyP6kUck26hQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AxxrY/6KhKSQDmw7wXaB0Ii1noOQ5/4+kyvOb60sP3H9IQGaUiX+XYbO7WmVlWtsX PkRmKsAedB8Y1mPz2dx9ox6e8DVrKPA8AM5LR/AozmOMMF6sufthAqFDapKZSsvjXF kVLbFZmzjOU5VDQNo4LL/bhd4lh22AW1ZL5GZk5PZh+oJ/96Yr8Q06cGMfTZkY4gZz GynB3+XuqQpQTQU4+K3D/fHxs/gcT5hwjKygJTFkCFslrsA1a2z2qcwBtWiYqfdvvY jnCGgGTDQPA4Hko2wW6fUogoUYURFUnCG6P6p9FlkH/cu8f1n8v6MdywMs8dXwEk45 r7u5I6uoOsgag== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-136-52.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.136.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A28E120281; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:50:45 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:30:17 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260918 Archived-At: >> I still don't see what's the problem. >> With current Emacs, users can upgrade/downgrade their version of Org, >> python.el (etc...) via `list-packages`. Clearly the same would apply to >> bundled ELPA packages. > Here's one problem: https://debbugs.gnu.org/44830 AFAIK this problem applies to "normal" packages just as well. E.g. if you have the Tuareg package installed, `package-install` won't accept `tuareg` as argument. Stefan