From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git master head build failure? Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875z16en2o.fsf@gmail.com> <83mtuih3en.fsf@gnu.org> <835z16gnkj.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3100"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 01 17:33:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lRzKH-0000gb-O4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 17:33:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36876 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRzKG-0002wf-Om for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRzJ3-000298-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:32:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:61680) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRzJ1-0003sS-AN; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 11:32:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5A0084405BD; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D325F440483; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:32:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1617291139; bh=Nma+ZX+w/dlpxJj5fBAvtcUQni+bxs8slfm+CKWXsbc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=RLu7Pk7oNyTlpRjgkRDzpHQtasUNTJRqUN4CMSd4qYXD+O2Fc4mFzPhGaKog+A6d+ o8b6pMOiX8qxMJMsU1aQxqycAnTVR9T6XKiTx7wsanxJOx91FHbHpFMBdO46NInsNv WK0QsXcrRN3LIMFE3Fe+t0rLe4T9QrOUNCYhWSzLwzh//TP+U8LGEgEVtrVRNzHfI2 AZ1ZBt4XJyhYQaQtWdtZWOWnGHPFndi17cCviKb4164A+QWnCgBM7yXYLUaEN/ElC/ 9MMtn6wMewQl9Xpo7B8g+/qdWTFhap1RpoZQ0470CROujLq92KA00vM7kOOsdJoEGP a6HFRwNr4z6WA== Original-Received: from alfajor (104-222-126-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.126.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CE7D12030A; Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:32:19 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <835z16gnkj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 01 Apr 2021 16:07:56 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267260 Archived-At: > I never use "make bootstrap": does that mean it isn't important either? ;-) I almost never *run* `make bootstrap` either, but I do *use* it quite frequently in emails as the standard tool to solve other people's build problems. > Seriously, though: this depends on your workflows. AFAIU most people > do "make bootstrap" to solve problems with Lisp macro expansions, and > for that forcing them to regenerate every single file that isn't > versioned is not the best idea. If you want to start from a pristine > clone, just clone a new worktree. I agree there's a tension. But I'm beginning to think that bootstrap-clean should remove the handful of generated *-by.el and *-wy.el files (tho an alternative would be to improve the dependency info so that they get regenerated when their generator's code changes, which would arguably be even better). Stefan