From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgfxn6lt.fsf@gnus.org> <87tu65k9ec.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119lnsd.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtbxlnf1.fsf@gnus.org> <87czctk890.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a67xlm9v.fsf@gnus.org> <87k070g6l0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8635do4u9b.fsf@gmail.com> <877d30g1az.fsf@yahoo.com> <87czcsfw4v.fsf@djcbsoftware.nl> <87mtbweaxj.fsf@yahoo.com> <831qt8bglv.fsf@gnu.org> <875yike8n9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83wnb0a0jf.fsf@gnu.org> <877d2zdc30.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3551"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , Eli Zaretskii , djcb@djcbsoftware.nl, Emacs Devel To: Yilkal Argaw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 20:53:45 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQZ21-0000lo-2L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:53:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46922 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQZ1z-0005mS-VK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:53:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34816) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQYu0-0006mh-OB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:49289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQYtv-0006Tx-5v; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:27 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 028AA8000E; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 818C380011; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1661280314; bh=XPOnSuL/cjSS4wp/EivzDCxdT05n9423jp+VNFL+xyo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=XthRmLlh3MpaNwgZQ9SmkSP8eTF5oLaKlHEfkG+qprfLeTqLLdFhoiLyhqh1uMXj4 kFhKLxBgW17YgqKhpGuJWXKotiJPeZ0tDat9m0s0mV04TYWZQBg0YpDyb/SyW1Yw8/ +MTO2qMweu/N7EIB+qR33H0cIYzESXC8wow2Pc3AHxDQl7LuBABhv9XYLDIBaN9Bw6 fVBeTITY8IZ19KPo1A0wI85xi323MciVv8JO0UKjliSImbq06rXN0F5c+EuvhVKfkN t7COEanqU++cTnSfheWXWezPlCeTs25W0KsziE8jr57fnDaKWy0QfCmjCGI7dR6M8j a3gT3HtRu9t0w== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EF781204F8; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Yilkal Argaw's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:52:33 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293915 Archived-At: > I recently tried to investigate this issue so I configured emacs with > the "with-x-toolkit=no" option. The thing that bothered me more than > dated look was the fact that the mouse button behaviours (clicks > doubleclicks and whatnot) do not work like many modern users have > gotten used to. That's just a reflection of the fact that `with-x-toolkit=no` has not received much love, except to accommodate those people who use it because they prefer its behavior. If we want to make it the default, we need to improve its behavior to accommodate those who prefer behaviors like that of Gtk. Stefan