From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87ill16t3a.fsf@gnus.org> <87edvp6nnf.fsf@gnus.org> <87a66d6lsw.fsf@gnus.org> <875yh16k59.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16429"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 16:53:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMoz-00045R-Rb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 16:53:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60528 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMoy-0003hf-On for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:53:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMoB-0002Pe-1N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:42117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMo8-00046r-DS; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 49FF1100138; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D6DB81000DD; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:52:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1664808752; bh=HUfo+iL94k/nnVZbg60oypzS7zFtMhYF5zjfiLI1Jz4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=OMnUdT5ZQoHhYH2zTop3tMbwcBAu+KRW4hk7AO0q2EcK2kikShoKw/hxdfyy8fm7+ 1epltGyA9p28bp0e7leQObouAVZQzQ3qrBu28IcD2F82TKpTvjXNv5yWggB0sgw2ol tZM7J0Nj6rpgv5zHEfhSABnYWrBqvyPtftYo/MC/16A917kCz5W3zzaDwewmOi9GWi W0cNED2GlrDKBLcMHLZjnl//e1umtyhJhOMHpR4u4k2H3fDZOKbQiUDHED76zYWigD YeBSrGPyP2E9yum2bLlsv/CRWBNHhFU9qbmtc3Gjl/PacQ6WiL7OPCjwf4qo24IJxf 1n1k3/rlDtHlw== Original-Received: from pastel (65-110-220-202.cpe.pppoe.ca [65.110.220.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BD77120D74; Mon, 3 Oct 2022 10:52:32 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <875yh16k59.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2022 16:45:22 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296756 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-10-03 16:45:22] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> and those users probably do want to use native compilation >>>> (e.g. they would likely set `package-native-compile` to non-nil), just >>>> not the deferred kind, so the var name is a bit odd for them. >> `inhibit-native-compilation` sounds like it really prevents all forms of >> native compilation, whether "deferred" or not. > We can expand the variable name, but I couldn't think of a good name. > And "deferred" doesn't convey anything. Lazy? Auto(matic)? Ondemand? >> E.g. going by its name, I'd argue that it's a bug if package.el does >> native-compile the files when both `package-native-compile` when >> `inhibit-native-compilation` are non-nil. > But not by going by the documentation of the variable. =F0=9F=98=80 Sorry, my dictionary doesn't know that word. What's "documentation"? Does it have to do with some Norse mythology, maybe? Stefan