From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bug trackers Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20080218052546.GK13020@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080218232829.GM5438@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080219232732.GC18902@jax.donarmstrong.com> <20080221014954.GF23349@rzlab.ucr.edu> <20080226193408.GM5438@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1204056076 2302 80.91.229.12 (26 Feb 2008 20:01:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:01:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 26 21:01:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JU5zW-0004dd-1R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:01:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JU5z0-0004Bb-Hi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JU5yw-0004BF-AG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:54 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JU5yr-0004A3-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JU5yr-00049u-GP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JU5yq-0000Qh-OH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:48 -0500 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B98C2CF948; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:48 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A6D3FE0; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:32 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F322C6CAA2; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:00:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20080226193408.GM5438@volo.donarmstrong.com> (Don Armstrong's message of "Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:34:08 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.6, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_REPONSE 0.11, MC_TRANSFR 0.11) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90529 Archived-At: >> I started to play with the emacsbugs thingy (as Richard is stepping down >> as maintainer and was basically doing the bug-tracking himself, I'm >> eager to setup a "new" non-human bug-tracking system) and have some more >> questions: >> >> - I see that right now, the address emacsbugs@lists.donarmstrong.com is >> used only for the `emacs' package. Would it be possible to use it as >> the default address for each and every package? > Yes, that's just a setting in one of the configuration files. [The > list of known packages is just a set of {packagename,maintainer} > pairs.] Then please do that. >> - how can I manage the email address used as the maintainer of >> a particular package? I see I can change the owner of a bug, but >> I can't see how to manipulate the maintainer of a package. > That's something that the debbugs administrator modifies; it's just > the configuration file above. OK, good. Since we don't know what packages we'll end up using, having just a single catch-all address will take care of it for now. >> - I see I can "create" a package as a side effect of reassigning a >> bug to some inexistent package. What about deleting a package or >> merging it with another one? > You didn't actually create a package like that; you just assigned a > bug to a non-existant package.[1] I'm glad I can use non-existent packages like that. This will allow us to try-and-use packages before knowing who should be the corresponding maintainer (or maybe even without ever intending to assign a maintainer address to it). I see that `index-packages' does list those non-existent packages, so other than not having any maintainer is there some downside to them? > If you want to get rid of a package, > you just reassign all of its bugs to a different package. Good. >> - As Richard mentioned, we would like/need to forward all >> bug-reports sent to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org and >> emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org to submit@emacsbugs. But since these two >> mailing-lists are also used currently for discussions, we would >> only want to forward those email whose subject doesn't start with >> "Re:". > I'll skip that and any bugs with References: and In-Reply-To:. Great. >> The "Package" should always just be "Emacs" and the "Version" should >> ideally be extracted from the subject (where it should appear in the >> form: "Subject: ; ") if present. >> Can you arrange for that to happen? > The Package: bit is already done; the version bit isn't taken care of, > but it would be possible to do. It will be good to do it, but it's not the top priority, so in case it's a problem, we can leave it for later. >> Can you arrange to do it directly on your end? > Are those just mailing lists? If so, it's not that difficult. Yes. You can subscribe to them via http://savannah.gnu.org/mail/?group=emacs > 1: In the ack message you received, there should have been a warning > about how the package didn't have a maintainer and probably isn't the > right package; we don't currently disallow this because in Debian > there are cases where the BTS is behind (usually less than 12 hours) > on the set of packages that are actually uploaded. It looks like a very handy "misfeature" for our use case ;-) Stefan PS: By the way, are you interested in this as an Emacs user as well, or only as a debbugs developper?