From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing. Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20131013101325.GA2621@acm.acm> <20131013140931.GC2621@acm.acm> <20131013172841.GA2498@acm.acm> <525D8946.4070406@gmx.at> <20131016171240.GA3125@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381946370 17046 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2013 17:59:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 16 19:59:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVNZ-0000it-15 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 19:59:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVNY-0001Hq-Kv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVNP-0001EQ-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVNI-0001Dc-23 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:19 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:56307) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWVNH-0001DV-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id r9GHx8q4006411; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0A6A3B4162; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:59:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20131016171240.GA3125@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:12:40 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV4733=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9362 : core <4733> : inlines <151> : streams <1056980> : uri <1567219> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164240 Archived-At: > With respect, that is not the topic of this thread. That topic is that > with electric-indent-mode enabled, there is now no command, also no > elisp function which has the traditional functionality of `newline'. Quick, without looking at the source code of newline: what does `newline' do that (insert "\n") or C-q C-j doesn't do? > That is a significant loss to Emacs. I don't know what that is supposed to mean. Stefan