From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:23:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbkovhh7.fsf@engster.org> <87387rvobr.fsf@engster.org> <83ppat84hk.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106143933.0090bc83@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r3v77ij6.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106154539.3d0752c4@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq4ype3z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20150108083211.5a85a077@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <877fwxpb63.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83r3v55me9.fsf@gnu.org> <87wq4xqnlr.fsf@wanadoo.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420770276 26456 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2015 02:24:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 09 03:24:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9PF4-00071Y-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 03:24:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48897 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9PF4-0001pz-2W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:24:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52562) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9PEr-0001pj-3s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9PEq-0003a4-8n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:42057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9PEl-0003Zl-OP; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:23:43 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t092NgbG015124; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:23:42 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F2D0B53F; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:23:41 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:01:50 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5180=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5180> : inlines <1737> : streams <1370315> : uri <1841764> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181087 Archived-At: > You consider it a waste of time, because you see the value in what > I am trying to protect. > This difference in values is why I am not going to heed your conclusions. To me there is blindingly clear evidence that what you're trying to protect doesn't exist any more, and that it's just alienating those rare individuals who do share our values enough that they haven't already moved on to LLVM/clang. And since the GCC license already fully allows writing a plugin which gives all the info we need, I strongly support and encourage everyone to go ahead, write such a plugin, link it to CEDET (or any other Emacs package if you so prefer), and I'll do everything I can to get this included into Emacs. With all due respect, Richard, I really think here you're simply wrong, and I'd be willing to consider a fork if that's what it takes. Stefan