From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <83wo5ccgg4.fsf@gnu.org> <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83mu68cbbb.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7wghxdz.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <87eerkgey1.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <112aecd7-8165-6cae-ef69-08d14d843841@yandex.ru> <5d158a63-7173-424c-9d9f-ce7856f1eae7@default> <4bb36686-34e7-4ac8-898c-74e254902349@default> <29f65907-affb-481e-82f3-62522a766f69@default> <83sgfybn22.fsf@gnu.org> <4d146384-12e4-5763-106e-be6bf52c6520@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="99066"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jean-Christophe Helary , Richard Stallman , Andreas =?windows-1252?Q?R=F6hler?= , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, Sergey Organov , Stefan Kangas , Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 23:18:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQgT-000Pf5-MX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 23:18:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50018 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQgS-0005LZ-MJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:18:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQeq-0004il-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:26895) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaQeo-0004bE-QU; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8CBEC10033A; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CC4DB1002FC; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589750223; bh=5QK9qkjhViC2wR9e7U/y9kFsSeRIPNYTmG7s562Ywwc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=LHgRAkZSS8+hfn+BY3E8lNtO3ksz/6fhp80OPRvtKJtDbLUhsS7IHBzLbt4NcAFfE 2iEbFR4J9KS5n+xzGVuJVAXKhNOos5a9eqA6Fvg9hx9zt8GlZH7lMYsSfazkRph/yC FOY83nMVi9MgYDJhJQBQ+8igv2MsHH7WoFI35qVbWf3h1+ouChJERSozZPX0+Vqs8k gM/mr8Ut+3N9JK2aCebzPlLO3cPBk8A6Sp/mp/Ux2kk+B68WGJh4hBMeV/NLnIcBnE 3UQnItdwHZj8UctfpCMyyGMcRAYDK9AH+DEhURkNd4F+jc/XfsuudEb1PNhpfPU6Ri TopieLpamgJNw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1759512059D; Sun, 17 May 2020 17:17:03 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4d146384-12e4-5763-106e-be6bf52c6520@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 17 May 2020 21:38:53 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/17 17:04:20 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250666 Archived-At: > What your opinion on maple-minibuffer? No opinion yet, I just saw a reference to it for the first time earlier in this thread. [ ... time passes ... ] I wonder how it works out in practice: I like the idea of the minibuffer being "near point" rather than at the bottom of my screen, but at the same time I don't like the minibuffer hiding text "near point". Another issue is that it only applies to actual minibuffer use, so it doesn't affect Isearch nor echo-area messages, but for me a significant part of the problem of having the minibuffer "all the way down" is that I don't see echo messages either (i.e. it's not just the minibuffer per-se but all uses of the mini-window). Stefan