From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30309"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: ghe@sdf.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" , tecosaur@gmail.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 16:24:08 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGjyC-0007m2-8r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:24:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52354 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGjyB-0000l6-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:24:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGjxd-0000IE-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:8603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGjxb-00033J-It; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:32 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AAC9110023C; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 09D8B10022C; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1599834201; bh=7cdk+MjMefbStzdmoPM1zTVg2X382HJFJzdFI8tWLJk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fU45+OtsY28eI0O+YpxtuRseZgJPaxQ+RmxI5KglCi+39ED3oZyCuaDbn84P+qbkJ TtoQmCCQ7EObv5dYt+AMPifKXyYlAEfMDUJww5i+N/2YBNQ1er11KrzlbKe9kYk0p1 OcCNDkO/fQiQ1YQw+kotToD49Kvs5ze1QPs4Fyok8J2ylBUgdINzV/rhubQZsyzAHA u5+HdvIKJRcAcDQovYGPQcZIg3D7BVCwJQlVTX1UfEY1TXo8cRGbUYwJ/HS3yvY3qP UNdH5lxQVgvaczuBNlYfkGoTUyEfn+0pztiwf3xB46Nu5I8GR4B5cdX/CpwuHBipRA aovaELBzxQgeQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.72.232.131]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C097B1204F6; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:23:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> (Ergus's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:42:25 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/11 09:47:34 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255182 Archived-At: > If you change a single face it doesn't improve anything. The whole thing > is the important. The overall result after all the changes. A light > toolbar looks worst with a dark background as well; big icons looks > terrible with small fonts. I personally have no idea what "modern" looks like or what makes something look "modern", so I'd welcome a description. Showing me examples doesn't really help me. By description I don't mean "change this one face to foo", but rather the underlying ideas behind the various changes. Stefan