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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Subject: Re: Native compilation of Keyboard Macros
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 15:27:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvleqjrv8p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878rmj408c.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Fri,  16 Sep 2022 18:56:19 +0000")

Philip Kaludercic [2022-09-16 18:56:19] wrote:
> Is it possible to use native compilation to speed up the execution of
> keyboard macros (or is this already being done)?  I think that there are
> certain situations where a macro is executed many times over (C-x C-k r,
> C-0 C-x e) that can slow down Emacs noticeably, where JITing could help.

I think it's somewhere between difficult and impossible.
The problem is not in the *native* part but in the transformation of the
keyboard macro into code: a keyboard macro is defined as a sequence of
events, and each one of those events can cause execution of a different
command every time it's repeated.

Also, I think that if `C-0 C-x e` is too slow, it's usually either:

- The few commands that are executed just take a lot of time
  (native-compilation of those commands can help but that's not specific
  to the case where they're run via a keyboard macro).
- The `C-x 0 C-x e` looping itself is costly, but most of that is
  execution of the repl (the lookup through keymaps, the pre/post
  command hooks, processing `interactive`, etc...) most of which is
  already coded in C.  In that case, turning the keyboard macro into
  "plain" ELisp code would bring a significant performance increase,
  regardless if it's (native) compiled, but it's almost impossible to do
  in general.

So, I think you should focus on the problem of turning a keyboard macro
into code.  We know it's impossible in general, so it has to be
"user-visible" (i.e. the user specifically asks for it and is made aware
that the result is a chunk of code which will not always run the same
commands as the keyboard macro).

You could have a "run kmacro and turn *this* execution into ELisp code".
IIUC some people tried to do that already, but I can't remember where
I saw that and my search-fu is weak right now.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-16 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16 18:56 Native compilation of Keyboard Macros Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-16 19:27 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-09-17 17:52   ` Juri Linkov
2022-09-17 18:26     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 18:40       ` Juri Linkov
2022-09-17 20:00         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-18  3:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18  5:02   ` Visuwesh
2022-09-18 13:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-16 19:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-17 14:49   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-17 15:33     ` Óscar Fuentes

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