From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding the `prescient` packages to NonGNU ELPA? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: References: <16193c73-ab80-04c9-558f-d5e6142f38f3@protonmail.com> <871qpydllo.fsf@posteo.net> <878rk3c7yt.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37682"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Philip Kaludercic , Okamsn , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 22 22:11:01 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaXl-0009ZZ-4L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:11:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaX0-0006dt-RT; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaWy-0006df-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaWw-0006tx-NK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:12 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 142FD441C49; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:09 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8C7F04418F0; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669151407; bh=s+cJtV/cshMQc7vJS4NpqfR6oxOEu1sOBQLy8sbQVXw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=EjfSJSRM5/On+6+WE0W8WkFbTUjKGX/oowco01gPTMPbWtX0rYX22N3yZrcT4Dcx5 PKtsyQ+I+qJNwbrMh2EaVIG/oHdBOJUSPQ8rXq6Vhxj6QYOWj3/wDjJ8E9JLl6zA3y F8IGuu39DM2VGZJlhya125yEKmS9V9johYepB1EHFY2NLt28ZDqMAZ8nZF+k+K3nuV Ap6Xs4mq0k0vGRuXdqJQDNxop6tg0/wpa5P1rD5PPIn0A2+qS5IAdtSltnKgyCFq4a fnnWKPdPCdKeDKebg65quMiJMvG+yIo/T+CuRz698LXxBrltK3h7PKn5bh79KcJadK ga8OHogSiLL1Q== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AC2012041B; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:10:07 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <878rk3c7yt.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:41:30 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300353 Archived-At: > Another drawback of main+extension repositories from the perspective of > [Non]GNU Elpa is that it makes it necessary for elpa-admin.el to > checkout the same repository multiple times. I think this is a small > drawback and I would recommend that just ignore it. Otherwise it is an > internal tooling issue that shouldn't concern package maintainers; > elpa-admin.el could, for example, be taught to clone the repository just > once and to use a separate worktree for each package. Agreed. The real reason behind the pushback is when trying to support "install from VCS", such as `package-vc` (which is also supported by `elpa-admin.el`, tho in less user-friendly way). E.g. I can't see a clean way to install `git-commit` directly from its VCS (i.e. recognized by `package-activate-all` and running from the Git clone) without either forcing the install of `magit` at the same time(&place) and/or having side-effects like sometimes shadowing another installation of `magit`. We may be able to handle it satisfactorily *if* the various subpackages are each placed in a different subdirectory (and indeed, in that case, depending on the VCS we may even be able to clone only the relevant subdir (or maybe clone the whole, but make a worktree that only exposes the relevant subdir)). Stefan "I care about that because that's the way I've installed all my packages for the last few years and I find it very convenient :-)"