From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: breadcrumbs for Info . . . . . . Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <009d01c8cb55$13d53e20$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87fxrkltma.fsf@jurta.org> <00ae01c8cb71$c26aeef0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <873ankqou6.fsf@jurta.org> <00d901c8cbc9$7df36fb0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87tzfzk331.fsf@jurta.org> <00a501c8ccdd$93328720$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <002401c8cd1f$98631650$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87hcbxd8t8.fsf@ambire.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213366076 29298 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 14:07:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 14:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thien-Thi Nguyen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 13 16:08:30 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K79vz-0006d9-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:07:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56648 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K79vB-0005db-Vj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K79v8-0005dW-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K79v7-0005dH-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47823 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K79v6-0005dE-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:52257) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K79v6-00059k-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (vpn-132-204-232-131.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.131]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5DE6iTT032475 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 31B86B4087; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:05:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87hcbxd8t8.fsf@ambire.localdomain> (Thien-Thi Nguyen's message of "Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:43:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered HAS_X_HELO=0, RV3037=0 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99097 Archived-At: > but rather: > New Info sub-feature: Info "Up" extension. MB3 on the "Up" link > now displays a menu which lets you "navigate" (urgh) directly to > an ancestor node of the current node. From the keyboard, there > is a new command Info-skip-up, which queries you (w/ completion) > for an ancestor node to jump to... [etc. The idea is that mouse > or keyboard eventually do the same thing.] That's not the same: the fact that the breadcrumbs are displayed is an important part of it: breadcrumbs are not just links, they're primarily a way for the user to quickly figure out where she is within the whole document structure. Once this info is displayed, it's only natural to make it "active" so you can click on it, but it's a secondary purpose. After all, with the shallow nature of Texinfo documents, there isn't much point in providing just the pop-up list you propose, since you can just hit `u' a couple times to get the same result. > Bias note: personally, i dislike features that use screen space. > If there is another line taken for breadcrumbs, i will find a way > to remove it. Of course, that's always a problem. Emacs being what it is, we'll of course make it an option. This said, I think it'd be worthwhile to try and make it all fit onto the existing header-line. One way to make it might be to abbreviate node names. But I'm not sure how best to do that. Maybe we should try to elide/abbreviate a (sequence of) word from a node name when that (sequence of) word already appears in the node's parent. Stefan