From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <87vc5345t3.fsf@gmail.com> <51C8B2C8.4000803@gmx.at> <51C93CDB.2020301@gmx.at> <51C9C790.3020407@gmx.at> <51CA0D4C.7080204@alice.it> <0A6F5672-6149-41B7-B0FF-D4725076B271@mit.edu> <51CB3299.50004@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372346460 31458 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2013 15:21:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: martin rudalics , chad , Drew Adams , Emacs developers To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 27 17:21:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UsE0K-00084a-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:21:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsE0K-0004up-34 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:21:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsE0G-0004ud-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsE0F-0006u1-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:28183) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsE0F-0006tw-1C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:55 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOSWpIggV6DEw X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCppA/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOSWpIggV6DEw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="17294747" Original-Received: from 76-10-154-64.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.154.64]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 27 Jun 2013 11:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8426C67861; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:55:36 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161141 Archived-At: >> That's not my experience (running a local patch which delays creation >> of the initial frame until after loading the .emacs, tho not if the >> initial frame is on a tty). > In that case, I'd suggest installing that patch. But that will break many people's .emacs since things like frame-width won't do the same as before (admittedly, some of those people have already fixed their .emacs in order to use the daemon, but I still suspect that many users would be affected). OTOH we could make it conditional on a cmdline argument or an env-var. >> Fine by me. Maybe we should enable it by default, even. > It's a bit rough, let's try with it disabled so volunteers can experiment. OK. Stefan