From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: with-output-to-temp-buffer and help-mode Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:54:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1yppgtua5n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1407344160 12312 80.91.229.3 (6 Aug 2014 16:56:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 06 18:55:55 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4Ut-0004m6-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 18:55:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40153 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4Ut-00008X-DT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:55:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4Uf-00007S-0w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:55:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4UW-0007r0-Pp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:55:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mercure.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.24.67]:56730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XF4UW-0007qw-Ma; Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:55:08 -0400 Original-Received: from hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.50]) by mercure.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7112D84F02; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by hidalgo.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 576C11E5B8A; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by lechon.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 375A4B40CD; Wed, 6 Aug 2014 12:54:41 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 05 Aug 2014 04:35:02 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-DIRO-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-DIRO-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-DIRO-MailScanner-SpamCheck: n'est pas un polluriel, SpamAssassin (score=-2.82, requis 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -2.82, MC_TSTLAST 0.00) X-DIRO-MailScanner-From: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 132.204.24.67 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173453 Archived-At: > In summary, I think this is just plain wrong, and nothing I've heard has > convinced me otherwise. I count (?) one person in favour and several against. > So I hope it gets reverted, but I'm not going to pursue it any further. I agree. It was tempting, but it breaks too many things. Better design a new macro with cleaner semantics and mark the other one as obsolete. Stefan