From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <87vbkovhh7.fsf@engster.org> <87387rvobr.fsf@engster.org> <83ppat84hk.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106143933.0090bc83@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83r3v77ij6.fsf@gnu.org> <20150106154539.3d0752c4@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <87wq4ype3z.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20150108083211.5a85a077@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420727471 2550 80.91.229.3 (8 Jan 2015 14:31:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, David Kastrup , Richard Stallman , deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Perry E. Metzger" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 08 15:31:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9E37-00046o-1X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 15:26:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46309 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9E36-000220-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:26:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33836) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9E2R-0001WK-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:26:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9E2Q-0001wn-NP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:26:15 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:44894) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9E2N-0001w7-6T; Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:26:11 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t08EQ8ka005942; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:26:09 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5B6A61F56; Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:26:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20150108083211.5a85a077@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (Perry E. Metzger's message of "Thu, 8 Jan 2015 08:32:11 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5180=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5180> : inlines <1730> : streams <1370074> : uri <1841706> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181059 Archived-At: > A whole generation of compiler experts is being trained to use LLVM > and only LLVM for this sort of work, where 15 years ago they would > have used GCC. Indeed. > The long term result of all of this may very well be to do exactly the > opposite of what you want -- to convince compiler researchers that > LLVM is the only serious platform for their work, and even worse, to > convince developers in general that free software is too hard to use > and that non-free software is the way for them to get their work done. Let's not forget that LLVM is Free. It's not as Free as GCC since it doesn't use a copyleft license, but it's not proprietary. > I think most of us understand the issue as you see it. I think the > distinction is that most of us believe the trade-off is important. Yes, > this may indeed mean that some proprietary software ends up being > based on GCC just as some proprietary software is based on GNU/Linux, > but the overall impact will be positive, and the risk is much lower > than the reward. I think this "much" is an understatement. Stefan