From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 11:28:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1w2s9wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9leqmss.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="106969"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , tomas@tuxteam.de, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 17:29:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVGYN-000Rip-9w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 17:29:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33368 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVGYM-00011J-BH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVGXc-0008VR-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:28:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14054) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVGXa-0007h9-Vn; Sun, 03 May 2020 11:28:27 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 88E8A10077D; Sun, 3 May 2020 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5653C1000F2; Sun, 3 May 2020 11:28:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1588519704; bh=nK/CoIbd/NPIDo7gqptbjgB3LOKfHI+Jwb57uFt+la8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PEaBoVl5KAx1SDBpUOKIc54AM//AZUZyoWW0918bpa2YQhVeZsDJEBq3GNZWG+fnh T5AYRt7V1LLcVxyV8Rc7KS+RvrBZWfkie1lJJFPtxwKCFSMtne92e2NYdPCrIzU7Xs eifVVYObIqHtOUwKjrrE+7dIqBTiJTO9o/43PHCUv6TgLxXhh4+f5m6dmfJbEZOcQK 6GPgHGVx8MKYnfiyEJ1g11D3RMBaS/q+Xy3B4dTKgpg088l1GayUSTo5GYpmd9t9Av A3oZNb8hCjjiHWxG6lCkp7mHx5zHji6XkTajQTrUSwuG8Aeu5wtls+9x9BT3SBAmLv dMo38LplW25KQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF3041203F3; Sun, 3 May 2020 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vora=22's?= message of "Sun, 3 May 2020 16:03:33 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/03 10:45:02 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248706 Archived-At: > Are they new-ish? > For many years it was only `C-h f` and `C-h v` for me. Side-story: I used to have those built into my muscle memory but was often annoyed that I had typed `C-h f` when I wanted to lookup a variable or vice-versa. This was solved when `C-h o` appeared, except that my muscle memory kept getting in the way. So I had to unbind `C-h f` and `C-h v` to force myself to use `C-h o`. Stefan