From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emms and youtube-dl Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875yo1o6xt.fsf@rabkins.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel To: Yoni Rabkin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 31 20:41:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nZzjc-000AMC-AH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:41:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42356 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZzjb-0000zU-09 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48152) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZzSB-00061m-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:29578) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nZzS8-000373-SH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:26 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AF733442CA2; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 00C08442C77; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1648750997; bh=VL3njlwRsDqCh4c5heiecYsOeh76FUaqR5gNTqqEM84=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fyYgsWMOKxGGbtR1VcPuOo6QU+ZfP1wxpkJZXCEr8+4y6crTxnD5nUCIM0RWZJeqw dSV4xBJ1mudznvOr1vTEShGXk/DuQaxTn7KmohtrdgXV3ohRUivbj5ukPZ8IDlI78L 8ByISeKWwD5Cm9gFl2l5+TJSpHyKdL/wDAzjtY+sGgsWRp7/mMuamqdM0/R89vz+J9 4vN8XRq1EAZQ9A5+4pYXTEAuwH8k2H62E8ow2zOaXfibT2cq0gL1soaUIALmOZP32s sXzhJAOboQD/zoIaf9PNlVp3+vU0ZtdKKOywT9Fd6sYmxK9k/jv/toOQMXsMycav5P PReCpOHEVqumA== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D65B912034C; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:23:16 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <875yo1o6xt.fsf@rabkins.net> (Yoni Rabkin's message of "Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:09:50 -0400") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287639 Archived-At: > Someone is offering to add code to Emms which supports > youtube-dl/ytdl. The FSF has a post about those programs here and > youtube generally here: > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/whats-wrong-with-youtube.en.html > > Initially, I rejected the code because I thought that youtube-dl runs > non-free javascript. But that FSF article says it does not. But still > the other reasons in the article, mainly that youtube-dl is a fragile > web-scraping kludge to access a resource which isn't committed to free > access, I am hesitant to add the code. AFAICT it's up to you: ethically, there is no problem with `youtube-dl` and to the extent that it helps users avoid proprietary software I think it's good to add support for it. But yes, `youtube-dl` is a kludge and we should encourage people to use services that are more friendly to our ideals, but in most cases I (as a user) don't always get to choose where the video I need has been uploaded (most of my uses of `youtube-dl` is to transfer the video to a local PeerTube service ;-) Stefan