From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Obsoleting of generalized variable setters in 48aacbf292fbe8d4be7761f83bf87de93497df27 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11074"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 21 22:34:55 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oxERK-0002cn-Si for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 22:34:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxEPn-0000rm-Rc; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxEPm-0000rF-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxEPk-00016Q-7H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:17 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4C5D01000E1; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:13 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id EA085100054; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669066390; bh=8WBQRSp8OPA9F4I3XWKXvXtGAlBv/+jm0lLhIBEUKyQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=osE5A7TmopZlq7gEk1pfCM2YHFOnryqHiATwdQWcSYyCduFAiP6BWcMIgYJD7e7zS 1+eQB5mx4vbnu3aEdUZe7Hx4TmWFjBG5GsS15zOICV7yn5fRKBJ81Ij9ikQe0kzFZY bYu60jsJ9b7/vlMqxSWWyJn4mknxXCnxJECR6fmm2EJum2TycIA2Vd3oUMy/+chg08 k15+IH3o9L9ij2uYUqM1DQpcQkM3q0bcJebYuu54Z8EzevEX0ZzLuhAeJcXGM9xS71 crHJfFreB+y812WqgB7gZlMp8PczUDQTKlwyVF5+mTLpc0ZRDQjidnqujKRV7B3pYS SzHudTdOj5Ckw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C6A6C120283; Mon, 21 Nov 2022 16:33:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Adam Porter's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2022 15:19:43 -0600") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300312 Archived-At: > At the least, it would seem like a good idea to have an open discussion > before removing 38 such setters from Elisp. They were not removed: they were obsoleted. When we mark a feature obsolete, it *is* a (last) call for discussion before we remove it. So go ahead, and argue away to defend those generalized vars you think we should keep. Make those arguments concrete, tho: those 38 generalized vars are pretty much all independent from each other, so each one should be debated on its own merits. Stefan