From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bloat in Windows (revisited) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:07:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874l53g0yk.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83y32erdlt.fsf@gnu.org> <87imtieaiv.fsf@russet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="249380"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 07 10:20:28 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.47]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hZA6t-0012l2-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 10:20:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46698 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZA6s-0003f6-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:20:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hZA1P-0008SD-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:14:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ9te-0003jD-Oy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:16214) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hZ9tc-0003Pw-Cv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 9EDA74432D2; Fri, 7 Jun 2019 04:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D3697443632; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1559873272; bh=2S10vlye6QK6QI2p5eaPyzkCLZ17vQ4IpWS0l72xGbk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=eYimpSjpt+mnG54Le6jBsfjk8i0w8iQXA7gWKXngcNSbhGNyaWmq6iVOgGrHlHwYx s2tGZbdQVjBrY8mlcB8WX1Ywr334YbWO1gjU4/pLqlY++dFci5su9fubI/pN/s7BUM E7oobU17z+DZzK8KGEbG3oGZJie/B7zEMV1wcpem98YgNHZLCzRC2SxhBaEjvwFqh6 r5cAEIk3XRm46cjqjSvI0PWvVGNi7u2b2IIKen8Yr9L/WCiUBgR5MFkHkJ1PURxEC5 /M7wZFcurHcGSMjvx7ZLQc2JeipcKGnv8nxrdOfWfNqmrm7vmnj40JP51OybuH5MoX D0DV4AE6Wd7OQ== Original-Received: from ceviche (unknown [45.72.243.188]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 816B7120778; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87imtieaiv.fsf@russet.org.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:14:48 +0100") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:237304 Archived-At: > I think many editors would have "integrated" find tools even if this is > just a call out to the OS GUI tool for doing the same. Likewise, spell > checker. Yes, I agree with the general desire. I just proposed a hypothetical way to make the slope less slippery by reducing the difference between the tools that are bundled and those that aren't. > A quick "grep" for executable-find gives 300 hits. Many are > languages (i.e. in progmodes), many are text processing commands or > viewers. After that, we do not have that large a list. [ Not sure what is the relation between executable-find and this discussion. I was thinking about catching the error you get from start/call-process and then looking up some ad-hoc list of known commands and their corresponding MSYS2 package. ] > I don't think that there are simple instructions on how to install these > tools, other than "re-install this version of Emacs over msys2 (or just > install Emacs via msys2) then add the packages with pacman". This is why > I am asking the question. I'm too far from Windows to know anything about that. So maybe indeed there's no good solution here. I was hoping we could write some Elisp that can download&install a minimal MSYS2, and another that can ask MSYS2 to install some tool. > On the other question, does excluding mingw-w64-x86_64-glib2 and subtree > seem sensible? I'm too far from Windows to know anything about that ;-) Stefan