From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 13:15:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <547c9116-c1c3-8563-4aee-c62aa2302861@yandex.ru> <838shybfdo.fsf@gnu.org> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> <3c558381-f584-a2e5-972e-007221347f16@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="98212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , deng@randomsample.de, Emacs developers , Dmitry Gutov , Eli Zaretskii To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 18 19:17:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jajOR-000PQW-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 19:17:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44854 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jajOQ-0008HC-Af for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:17:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37066) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jajMw-0006r9-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:60467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jajMu-0007Rg-Nb; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 87161100250; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C7753100240; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589822156; bh=0ynU9DY7SlP9+tvxDhdtc5ADmiAU70mG23fInZlne+w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=D5CyRhmsK370+nObvZepAQVKkzhrGE0qkBijyaB4XyqjcrdupCsBWpX/EftlmM5/9 HK794SIWAYZYr9/MqT4sLjR28HNQr0C2clX9BQ9ErVSWSByK3aetG2lk9cFQ5tpZzc vsIjDdAZkfrTzAyF9XPNuAX2d51rYartOsXrh1Y/JNCbZCq2XRyQy2oYtoZQPGI4oM 4oSsfic679RvYlmwmILy5yWGkFj1Pd6uUVc5EPfYTCz8xwY48HNRvwomfoRZkdU3Ic Ds06WGoLNkU0m9uLXfUu3kOWtmp+2hA01IkYkQl8GH9V2uTGOPKNvCeHsSheVCVyGO IRAExWoa/O5pQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 354F21203AB; Mon, 18 May 2020 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vora=22's?= message of "Mon, 18 May 2020 18:04:23 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/18 12:41:25 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250785 Archived-At: > (and I do note you'd still have to go through the horrors of finding a > pen and paper in your office and manually using your arms to hold > it up to the webcam) [ FWIW, for me until about a year or two ago, the problem was not so much finding a pen, but finding a scanner or a camera. ] Many parts of the assignment process could be streamlined in some way. The actual signing is one part where improvements can be possible but AFAIK they're mostly imposed by legal issues (where the FSF wants to make sure that the signature would be legally valid in a court of law), so it's likely the hardest part to streamline, and I suspect that the current situation is "good enough" that it's "out of the critical path" nowadays. The "critical path" is rather on the ideological side, on the "so many steps, so much time" side (send an email to emacs-devel, then get an email in return, the send an email to the FSF, then ... the actual signing is a just a small part of it compared to all the waiting), and last but not least on getting the employer to sign its part. Stefan