From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200926163008.GS1349@protected.rcdrun.com> <83blhc7f4x.fsf@gnu.org> <673405e1-0df4-4655-a5e6-4551f2565e91@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30260"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: bobnewell@bobnewell.net, rms@gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii , Daniel =?windows-1252?Q?Mart=EDn?= To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 09 00:17:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQeEU-0007o2-78 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 00:17:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42422 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQeET-0007Or-8U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:17:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQeD5-0006u2-NX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:16:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:49250) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQeD3-0002xM-GX; Thu, 08 Oct 2020 18:16:26 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A28BC806A5; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 18:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 44BD080AED; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 18:16:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1602195381; bh=uOio+yCy1FIYKx2atPMmfVtkfQnye/Dj6kCtODJk7iY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=nHgsZkxw7UbVkb38Ijn266aZWwp5bg109agopuxHhKHtT/jfHRNYa3m6IgjZmSZUY LGAWlcDMPnVrO1a0H5dvZDsApz/SH+w3JyE4uCgCOCPQzUER1wvSoMrCzM9P3yQ43X RRNd3JEejQxYm4vFMO0cdAijIlMCXSrU3gV9rpHsuFU2muMfrKbV32AXrL9TiBFUMX OVVtHLvEbawSNnM7UGoYksmbNFv6xzj1rh4KYx5xENvXVTKucPKNTvl5Md2jC5rWnx fF9SVXRt7evv9kbk49SrDWVEYfCkb35x//UY7Q8XFAiskPLYmwDQligcNJ7spYYH4Q rCRaSpzsZtuZg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EF96D12022E; Thu, 8 Oct 2020 18:16:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <673405e1-0df4-4655-a5e6-4551f2565e91@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT)") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/08 17:57:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257232 Archived-At: >> I think something like: >> >> Also documented in the >Emacs user's manual<. >> Also documented in the >ELisp programmer's reference<. >> >> should be clear enough (where >...< is meant to delimit the hyperlink). > > That won't help with functions (vars, faces, etc.) > covered in other manuals: CL, Tramp, Org, Dired-X, > Calc, Ediff, etc. Why not? I'd expect them to appear as things like: Also documented in >Calc's manual<. -- Stefan