From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Relevance of `baud-rate' in the 2020s? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <833625l9wv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13280"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 17:22:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVytO-0003MC-By for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:22:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51370 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVytN-0004bP-CM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:22:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVyhK-00065e-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:42748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVyhH-0007IF-Sa; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:41 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4FC9B80ECE; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D88B9809C6; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1603465776; bh=BYYt+eb7j+1ChQKr7xcFjwYojB5ZFvhMyvDlR9/6lpE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Ml7DexGjY2qifA/UWSLyVVMv1i703Ns/2a7TUgY41hjlG1vdVvKbaAtwO0YWNXrrk y0fzlzJkGOFRGoCVXB9WFXaXP+/vZIYXFQsE/81FQRrwQIZa6Gk/daDB0mxs/1Rzca TrYsHFjMR7OVoAzGdlNn60nKczQEQ0XDxV18LbOFRGhcXimpqH0pc50DZt556xZLFb P2ZUjN46LC3/ZeMz3vQAPipR3MiOT+3w+byxlswtpG5pwpy5ZRlYuZvQDRBz6M9Xci Zga0fhEpm2X78SJnqA0/RTX2OiUAaKILXR5gzh8YLHSjEQUdjM31zBHiMvxmT/j8aP OusToT0oikbOw== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.9.240]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AABEE12033B; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <833625l9wv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:43:28 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/23 10:33:03 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258363 Archived-At: > In my remote corner of the world, I sometimes have periods of time > that Internet crawls at 3KB/sec. That sounds equivalent to the default value of `baud-rate` (19200). > If I need to use Emacs on a remote machine during that time, this > "obsolete" mode is very useful, because SSH sends more than just the > characters I type. What do you mean by "mode", exactly? Do you mean you (setq baud-rate 2400)? > So I definitely don't want it to become obsolete, let alone removed. > If "baud-rate" is what bothers you, we can augment the name or > documentation to explain when this is useful and why. I think your use of the word "mode" above might be a good hint at how to reword this functionality, e.g. something like `low-bandwidth-mode`. Stefan