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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270266 Archived-At: >> I see no need to re-hash the whole discussion around it, unless you find >> an actual concrete problem with it (rather than an aesthetic dislike). > A confusing API and a complicated minibuffer.el are concrete problems IMHO. These are judgment calls, i.e. aesthetic dislikes. The long discussion we've had about ti shows that there's a lot of disagreeing tastes around this topic, so I'm pretty sure we won't find one that satisfies everyone. >> Let's move on. If we can't agree on this design which has no clear >> flaw, I can't imagine we'll ever come to an agreement for the >> replacement of `affixation-function` > You may not think it worth it, but the complicated minibuffer.el hampers > my efforts to experiment with replacements for affixation-function. Nothing > insurmountable but I for one like tighter API's and code. I highly doubt changing the API for `group-function` would make any measurable difference in this respect since it's a pretty small part of "the complicated minibuffer.el". Stefan