From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some improvements for cl-flet Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bl4zqnqn.fsf@gmail.com> <87czpe4rj2.fsf@web.de> <874kaqqxe7.fsf@gmail.com> <87y281cowz.fsf@web.de> <87sfxdr2ds.fsf@gmail.com> <877demdb5w.fsf@gmail.com> <87tuhq20tp.fsf@web.de> <87czodcgby.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27459"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , Richard Stallman , Michael Heerdegen , akater , emacs-devel To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 10 23:58:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mZgpl-0006xA-TC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:58:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZgpk-0001oA-QN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57076) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZgpB-00018m-8e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:23395) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZgp8-0000z5-SE; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:40 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 59DC480300; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 2E3EA803EB; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1633903056; bh=ZW4z1KLhT6gYuGYrhP+Pz9jDSqPlqeigHX+JcGAfKg0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=h5xP3dxrJjSwvZvmTRalzDSbyYdxS2Li++cs5+KZwZU1VnZb0KuZ4Jlovdi2TEm+i uPL0R+5JvyLY4sye2hMz9CAqwDA1tNOJJboZEvYjB0SXAGFjm6DkMu3hbqLliENZP5 xlSSMLClAtLnqQ5LC5DyrPlw/qJhvDOxOEjGJer4nu0VgYVH8Pt1FC18baCfIjRa/O He2DkSVzWPWmQoCvwBmXf9dq3LnyzAobM+WltwkhBYlhRBdwmNoVfOmAgMTn4g9Knb 3DnH0AiyNuJ1n12a1KUFS+3RuC8K/N/mNTAS8VJEToQgD5U5hY5k2Lt8K1jl8U0ELp n0bcGsMKlbl0w== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D92AD120249; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:57:35 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vora=22's?= message of "Sun, 10 Oct 2021 21:27:43 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276709 Archived-At: > As do I. There's little reason to delete any functions from a Common Lisp > emulation library, IMO. Emacs Lisp, like any Lisp worth its salt, is a > programmable programming language, one should be to emulate anything > with it, including Lisp idioms that may not be unanimously appreciated. Symbol macros have their quirks and are better avoided in general, but occasionally they come in quite handy. So I think they fall in a similar category as advice and lots of other sharp edged tools we have in our toolbox. Stefan