From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Grammar checking in Emacs Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k0h82v4k.fsf@localhost> <87sfvvd6tk.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7841"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 17 00:30:06 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mn7tu-0001uC-BD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 00:30:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33770 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mn7tt-0004Ez-2F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60450) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mn7tF-0003Cg-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:42471) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mn7tB-00087u-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:24 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 0E26580512; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:19 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 815E88045C; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1637105357; bh=yTuH2KAiL/57MC514HpgZFl0Re91x/+9w8TBBeEA3UA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Sk0snrUhe0xeglv+CZoDNvCPNxHCBTvHtciojDzmIG1U2ZfMPexX1npVisIOPOij/ +37bRIsSFqIWIrmBxv0WnOFhmHvhx68A6EgI+yMg/LwUCSBmazFJXbKz0A+XBVlBSp mg0Zemnhc1Oow9AA8ztcAQwo4q8q+d3abPV+mjn3eUsq8/Q4a70li+iC2R3tdVwzQ0 uGn0/cWYgJXXWBA5O8OuBhqjnACmX5fR0s5B3+P1kk9117Js6kik4SE+t4j90ctl5s cpeS/xAC/nwQAb8Gao/BmUlqsqwKcnZWzPDSXKi+Xura0aFNLDaIQ/SM9x/bmrzPw3 oyBqmiSj5uWGA== Original-Received: from alfajor (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FD2B1207B0; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:29:17 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87sfvvd6tk.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:49:07 +1100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279586 Archived-At: > Just interested in why you find installing a jar file so problematic. > Given it is essentially just a zip archive, how is installing a jar file > and keeping it up-to-date any different from installing any binary > package? Not sure what you mean by "installing any binary package", but the way I normally install a package is "apt install ....", and the "keeping it up-to-date" is done mostly automatically by updating the whole system on a regular basis (including via the `unattended-upgrade` package). > Even when you clone a repository and build from sources, you > still have to pull updates and rebuild. Indeed, it sucks just about as much. > Is their something fundamentally different with jar or is it simply > a different build system and the discomfort is due to it being > less familiar? No, I'm comparing to something that's directly supported by my distribution (Debian). Stefan