From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: plz Date: Sat, 21 May 2022 16:29:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8735h3kukg.fsf@bernoul.li> <87zgjakb96.fsf@bernoul.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Adam Porter , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 21 22:31:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nsVlP-0008mR-Ly for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 22:31:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38952 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsVlO-00041D-9r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:31:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsVje-0002XO-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:30958) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsVjb-0005tW-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:30:00 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8339180722; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 274D680342; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:29:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1653164990; bh=hvJqKt2UHEa0mYzT0Xp9tWJIeN5bz5UkQuryrFSx5so=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=KP/FR7yCVgyDloHFjZfi1MH2a7wkZv3BC6x3JgJZ5o/2yJJkH0O5+An7gz4bfrzX4 OWMkj+RIVlIuCOaOOSEKJgAyaPBJoh4S6ud4FXRRs1Kp0EilHcyt0k2qAqTfJUhpIL TNhxY6oUM7cA/G1YbRKwAJ/jUa4QXiM9/jYGp6ywjOt4kEnBWKhVeS73Q8AlatE0vt b4zoq7uWRwLYEnfegQxaN0At+eesDSNpJvr0m6eXuT4Ku3E/XQU+MGjOuLR9Xu8RpF OYl6qwagsnTZK9NV8rC6Q1dWWK1EbJzouzwKlhIWo6SUupesYV1hDJkHxJLC1cuv9R etVaXWqc6dfqA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.221.51]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9D431202DB; Sat, 21 May 2022 16:29:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87zgjakb96.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Sat, 21 May 2022 20:10:13 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290060 Archived-At: Jonas Bernoulli [2022-05-21 20:10:13] wrote: > Stefan Monnier writes: >>> really is no alternative; these url.el bugs caused an endless stream of >>> bug reports in my packages, and once we figured out the causes, waiting >>> a few more years until the fixes are in Emacs just wasn't an option >>> anymore. >> >> This is a false dichotomy. You can install your advice and hacks in >> your package so it works Right Now=E2=84=A2 *AND* submit patches upstrea= m so it >> gets fixed for all in the longer term. >> >> Where did you get the idea that you had to choose? > That wasn't what I was trying to say. These bugs have been fixed in > Emacs (either a recent release or the master branch) but since not > everyone immediately updates to the latest release (much less the master > branch) I do have to provide backports. Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. Then yes, providing backports/advice/hacks to make your code work with older releases is par for the course. Stefan